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re: Israel–Hamas War Discussion Thread: News Links On First Page

Posted on 11/22/23 at 6:33 pm to
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 6:33 pm to
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It’s not as bad as Biden swapping an arms dealer for a WNBA player


Bro, it is a woman getting released. How can you not be behind that? /s
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 6:34 pm
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 6:35 pm to
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It’s not as bad as Biden swapping an arms dealer for a WNBA player.


So do you support the exchange of 40 children and 13 mothers for 150 Hamas prisoners?

Posted by PsychTiger
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 6:37 pm to
I’m fine with it. Just keep them in northern Gaza so they can be killed after the pause.
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 6:55 pm to
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I’m fine with it. Just keep them in northern Gaza so they can be killed after the pause.


Now we're talkin'.
Posted by UFownstSECsince1950
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 7:01 pm to
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News said it was 150 Palistenian women and children

I read several articles yesterday (from big name news outlets) that stated Israel was releasing children hostages who were being held in Israeli prisons.
It’s crazy how bad they mess stuff up and just run with it.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 7:34 pm to
Well, they have people like Pandy who lick it up and repeat the talking points.
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 8:16 pm to
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Well, they have people like Pandy who lick it up and repeat the talking points.


What?
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 8:30 pm to
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It’s crazy how bad they mess stuff up and just run with it.

It has been on full display with this war.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 8:46 pm to
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What?


You are trying to be black/white in one of the most complicated storylines of all time. Thought it was contrarian troll, but really coming off as know-it-all ignorance at this point.
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:07 pm to
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You are trying to be black/white in one of the most complicated storylines of all time. Thought it was contrarian troll, but really coming off as know-it-all ignorance at this point.


Well the issue of this exchange is "black and white" and you've chosen your side. You don't have to keep defending it. Just keep in mind, the people of Israel and their government don't agree with you.

Israel has the opportunity to trade 150 Hamas prisoners for 40 children and 13 mothers and they're going to take it.

It took you a while to get there but after some loopholing and hair splitting, you finally admitted you don't support that. The lives of those children and mothers are not worth the possibility of the political blowback or strategic disadvantage that may come from this exchange.

I disagree and I think this is a bargain. The lives of 40 children will be saved by doing nothing more than handing over 150 prisoners who will likely, at some point be killed by the Israelis anyway. If this however makes you feel a little more solid in your position, they're keeping the men.

The damage these freed prisoners do to their own people or children as a result of this is beyond Israeli control. I mention this because in a previous post you expressed great concern that these freed terrorists will cause the deaths of innocent Palestinian children and eluded to the idea that we (or I) should not place greater value on the lives of Israeli children over Palestinian children.

So, I openly and without hesitation fully support this exchange. You however. Well you said this on page 339...

Im not sure how anyone in their right mind can support a hostage for prisoner swap. But others have different values.

Yes, when it comes to the lives of 40 children and their mothers. I have different values.

This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 9:13 pm
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:13 pm to
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Just keep in mind, the people of Israel and their government don't agree with you.




Oh they don't?

You just went black and white on the entire Israeli population trying to support your absolute.

You have no fricking idea what is going on over there. Hug your child tonight and be glad you aren't sleeping in a bomb shelter having to make a decision if you want your kid alive tomorrow or you neighbors kid killed the following day.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:17 pm to
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Just keep in mind, the people of Israel and their government don't agree with you.

You don't know that at all, and saying that is outright ignorance.

Every single prisoner released by Israel will be put up before the public for scrutiny. Anyone with an objection to any given prisoner up for release can come forward, and their testimony will carry heavy weight in the ultimate decision.

This is a very contentious and complicated deal for the Israeli people who are asked to okay the release of terrorists who have killed their family and loved ones.

You make a few good points, but you don't know nearly as much as you believe you do. You should stop.
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 9:18 pm
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:25 pm to
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You don't know that at all, and saying that is outright ignorance.

Every single prisoner released by Israel will be put up before the public for scrutiny. Anyone with an objection to any given prisoner up for release can come forward, and their testimony will carry heavy weight in the ultimate decision.

This is a very contentious and complicated deal for the Israeli people who are asked to okay release of terrorists who have killed their family and loved ones.

You make a few good points, but you don't know nearly as much as you believe you do. You should stop.


The Israeli people overwhelmingly support swapping Hamas prisoners for these women and children.

They're not being asked to release terrorists "who have killed their families or loved ones". The ones being released are not murderers or people who have engaged in overt acts of terrorism. In fact, most are women. This is why the Israelis are agreeing to this.
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 9:32 pm
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:35 pm to
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In fact, most are women.


Are you just making shite up now? Less than 25% are women and the rest are teenage shithead Palestinians.
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:47 pm to
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Are you just making shite up now? Less than 25% are women and the rest are teenage shithead Palestinians.


No, I'm not making anything up. I read one report where it was mostly women the Israelis were releasing. It came from a Jewish/Israeli Newspaper. Maybe it was wrong.

There's lots of sources out there but one thing everyone agrees on is that none of the prisoners the Israelis are releasing are murderers or were involved in acts of terrorism.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:48 pm to
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Pandy Fackler

Stop. The more you talk the less you prove you know.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75103 posts
Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:49 pm to
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none of the prisoners the Israelis are releasing are murderers or were involved in acts of terrorism.

This simply isn't true.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78366 posts
Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:49 pm to
Well, read more I guess. It would help you look a lot less ignorant.

Also, to be clear. The prisoners aren't being held for murder. Doesn't mean they aren't murderers.

Terrorism is a broad term.
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 9:50 pm
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
21114 posts
Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:50 pm to
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Stop. The more you talk the less you prove you know.


The more I talk, the more I prove I know.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75103 posts
Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:50 pm to
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The more I talk, the more I prove I know

Alright. You keep it up, buttercup.
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