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Posted on 11/22/23 at 5:03 pm to
Posted by Pandy Fackler
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 5:03 pm to
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Did you like the last one where shite went totally sideways and was deemed a huge failure?


I like this one.

Do you?
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 5:09 pm to
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Look, I'm just saying I like this hostage swap and it sounds like I might be the only one.


If the prisoners are lo-jacked I think it's the greatest hostage swap ever.
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 5:19 pm to
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If the prisoners are lo-jacked I think it's the greatest hostage swap ever.


Hamas is releasing women and children in this. Swapping 150 troglodytes for a bunch of children who would otherwise be killed is a pretty good deal. Especially when you consider these released terrorists will be killed sooner or later anyway.
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 5:20 pm
Posted by fightin tigers
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Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 5:20 pm to
I like the kidnapped individuals come back.

Don't like the ratio. Think it will result in more people getting killed than the people it saves.
Posted by ticklechain
Forgotten coast
Member since Mar 2018
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 5:32 pm to
Any way you shake this out, more and more will die for a very long time over this bs
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
21114 posts
Posted on 11/22/23 at 5:32 pm to
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I like the kidnapped individuals come back.

Don't like the ratio. Think it will result in more people getting killed than the people it saves.


Hamas has 40 children and 13 mothers. What part of the ratio do you not you like? Are they not worth 150 terrorists?

Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 5:34 pm to
Perhaps Mossad placed explosive devices in their heads like in Kingsman.

Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 5:36 pm to
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Hamas has 40 children and 13 mothers. What part of the ratio do you not you like? Are they not worth 150 terrorists?



Ah, so you value the kidnapped kids over the Palestinian kids that will be killed in the future by ongoing conflict that the 150 returned will inevitably carry on.

Pretty shortsighted by you.

Or wait, you think the 150 being returned are reformed and will not build tunnels and hide amoung innocents? How cute.
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 5:37 pm
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
21114 posts
Posted on 11/22/23 at 5:43 pm to
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Ah, so you value the kidnapped kids over the Palestinian kids that will be killed in the future by ongoing conflict that the 150 returned will inevitably carry on.

Pretty shortsighted by you.

Or wait, you think the 150 being returned are reformed and will not build tunnels and hide amoung innocents? How cute.



Well we don't know that will happen but we do know those 40 children and their mothers will certainly be killed if this swap doesn't occur. And it's not the Israelis putting Palestinian children in harms way. We know who’s doing that.

The 2nd part is just weird. In fact, the entire response is weird but the second part really stands out.

Anyway, you don't like the deal.



This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 5:44 pm
Posted by fightin tigers
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Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 5:44 pm to
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Well we don't know that will happen


Yeah, if you ignore the past and previous hostages exchanges you would be in the dark about what is going to happen.

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We know who’s doing that.


The group the 150 are going to return to.
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 5:45 pm
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 5:48 pm to
Look man, just say you don't like this hostage swap and if these 40 children and their mothers are killed, then they're killed. You don't have to gyrate like this.

More people in this thread will likely agree with you than me.

Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78366 posts
Posted on 11/22/23 at 5:56 pm to
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Look man, just say you don't like this hostage swap and if these 40 children and their mothers are killed, then they're killed. You don't have to gyrate like this.



I'm not gyrating. I'm fine with getting hostages back. I wouldn't give up a single Hamas criminal in exchange.

The price of losing the children and mothers is terrible. Wouldn't want that to happen either. There is a price in war of innocents and you can't justify it on any level. Not even going to try.

You, are justifying the loss of unknown future lives to save lives today. So that is your position.

The other side of faux-empathy is imagine you allowing your neighbors child to be killed in the future so yours can walk free today. Make peace with that.
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 5:58 pm
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
21114 posts
Posted on 11/22/23 at 6:12 pm to
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I'm not gyrating. I'm fine with getting hostages back. I wouldn't give up a single Hamas criminal in exchange.

The price of losing the children and mothers is terrible. Wouldn't want that to happen either. There is a price in war of innocents and you can't justify it on any level. Not even going to try.

You, are justifying the loss of unknown future lives to save lives today. So that is your position.


You've answered the question man.
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 6:13 pm
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 6:16 pm to
Yours is pretty obvious too by calling it a hostage swap.

Israel doesn't hold any hostages at this time.
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 6:17 pm
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
21114 posts
Posted on 11/22/23 at 6:26 pm to
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Yours is pretty obvious too by calling it a hostage swap.

Israel doesn't hold any hostages at this time.


I'll put a finer point on it I suppose. I didn't think I would need to do that, I thought you would get the point.

You're correct nonetheless. It's not a "hostage swap". It's a prisoners for hostages exchange.

Isreal is not holding hostages. They're holding prisoners.

Anyway, you answered whether or not you support the exchange as best you could and it's obvious you don't.
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 6:28 pm
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
24855 posts
Posted on 11/22/23 at 6:27 pm to
News said it was 150 Palistenian women and children.
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
21114 posts
Posted on 11/22/23 at 6:29 pm to
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jeffsdad
News said it was 150 Palistenian women and children.


Well who couldn't get behind that?
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78366 posts
Posted on 11/22/23 at 6:30 pm to
Im not sure how anyone in their right mind can support a hostage for prisoner swap. But others have different values.
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
109220 posts
Posted on 11/22/23 at 6:31 pm to
It’s not as bad as Biden swapping an arms dealer for a WNBA player.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78366 posts
Posted on 11/22/23 at 6:32 pm to
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News said it was 150 Palistenian women and children.


Average age of a Palestinian in Gaza is 16 years old. The male criminals held captive would be considered children.
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 6:34 pm
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