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re: Israel–Hamas War Discussion Thread: News Links On First Page

Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:23 am to
Posted by SpartanSoul
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Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:23 am to
I don’t have the link and don’t have the patience to search for it but I watched a video from one of the war/intel channels on YT and it had some interesting insight on how the attack took place.Maybe correct, maybe bullshite but seems more plausible than some of the tin foil lover bullshite I’ve seen posted.

Some points from memory:

Most of the Hamas terrorists didn’t know what was going on until the last minute. The ones who did were high level and avoided cell phones etc. to avoid Israeli intercept. They may have know something was brewing but not when or how close the actual action was.

The terrorists waited until the last moment to mass and inform the low level Hamas terrorists and with the holiday there was little chance to notice and sound the alarm in time. You would think the Israelis would have learned about holidays from the Yom Kippur war but some lessons can be forgotten over time. Think of how people acted right after 9/11 and now think how they act on the anniversary now. Hell how many people don't even remember it happened? Being surrounded but terrorist that want to kill you for decades can desensitize you to the danger.

The border fence monitoring system relied heavily on cell networks which were damaged/taken down with low flying drones which were small and went under the Iron Dome. This left the Israelis blind and once again the holiday slowed response. The cell towers going down also meant comms were down all over so once again the alarm was hard to sound and even if certain areas were aware and trying to organize a response, the town over may have been oblivious.

The trained Hamas terrorists were joined by run of the mill pieces of shite in large numbers when the fences were penetrated. This led to the attack being far more successful than even Hamas had planned. Just having large numbers of bloodthirsty murderers running around made the response even harder. They were basically just “wilding” and there was no rhyme or reason so trying to figure out their next move/next target was near impossible and while they were being tracked down people were constantly dying.

Whatever the case I'm sure many lessons will be learned/relearned.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:55 am to
Posted by PrecedentedTimes
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:55 am to
Intelligence apparatuses work best in homogenous societies with high levels of trust. Israel has suffered the same diversity setbacks as us over the past 40 years. Less unity = less ability to coordinate.

Also, when less and less people see the government as good & moral, less competent people will work for the government.
This post was edited on 10/20/23 at 11:58 am
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75132 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 12:27 pm to
@yossi_melman
quote:

Hamas has released two U.S. hostages - a mother and her daughter - "for humanitarian reasons" in response to Qatari mediation efforts, Hamas armed wing spokesman Abu Ubaida said now in a statement

Xwitter
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 10/20/23 at 12:29 pm to
@JSchanzer
quote:

IDF has approved the plans for a ground invasion. It took a while, likely indicating new tactics compared to previous rounds.

Xwitter
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 12:30 pm to
quote:

Second only to North Korea, Israel is the most paranoid country in the fricking world.

Well, you can't exactly blame them.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 10/20/23 at 12:31 pm to
More reports of two US hostages being released to Egypt.

@IsraelWarRoom
quote:

Don't forget: Hamas is playing a PR game.
Hamas announced it is releasing two Americans kidnapped and held hostage in Gaza.
They are still holding 200+ hostages.
As they boast about their "goodwill," they continue launching barrages of terror rockets at Israeli civilians.

Xwitter
This post was edited on 10/20/23 at 12:33 pm
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 10/20/23 at 12:38 pm to
@Faytuks
quote:

US and European governments have been putting pressure on Israel to delay its invasion of Gaza to buy time for secret talks underway via Qatar to release hostages, sources say - Bloomberg

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Posted by Aguga
Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 10/20/23 at 12:42 pm to
quote:

time for secret talks


Well it doesn’t appear that way
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75132 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 12:43 pm to
The released hostages are a mother and daughter aged 60 and 18 from the US.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
104010 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 12:52 pm to
The problems with ransoming hostages is that it encourages Hamas to do so again. And wasting time trying to get them will just ensure that Hamas fortifies the area further.


Get the teddy bears and start bulldozing.
Posted by Stevo
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 10/20/23 at 12:54 pm to
quote:

The problems with ransoming hostages is that it encourages Hamas to do so again. And wasting time trying to get them will just ensure that Hamas fortifies the area further.


Typically yes, and it's worked before. This just seems way bigger than that.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
104010 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 12:57 pm to
quote:

This just seems way bigger than that.


No shite.

Hamas killed over 1000, kidnapped hundreds, and is trying to wait out things so that they can slink away in the night.



Their problem is that they have made themselves a big enough issue that Israel has united against them and apparently has the will to frick them up permanently.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75132 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 12:59 pm to
@IsraelWarRoom
quote:

According to Palestinian media, the two hostages released are Judith and Natalie Raanan from Chicago.

Xwitter
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 10/20/23 at 1:11 pm to
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According to Palestinian media, the two hostages released are Judith and Natalie Raanan from Chicago.



I wonder if this disappoints our salivating, war mongering Government?

The US is desperate for an American reason to get bloody in this war. Freed hostages doesn't help that.
Posted by S1C EM
Athens, GA
Member since Nov 2007
11594 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 1:29 pm to
quote:

Hamas has released two U.S. hostages - a mother and her daughter - "for humanitarian reasons" in response to Qatari mediation efforts, Hamas armed wing spokesman Abu Ubaida said now in a statement


Do we know who? Could it be the Ranaan women from Chicago?
Posted by S1C EM
Athens, GA
Member since Nov 2007
11594 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 1:32 pm to
quote:

The released hostages are a mother and daughter aged 60 and 18 from the US.


That does sound like the Ranaans.

EDIT: CONFIRMED


This post was edited on 10/20/23 at 1:34 pm
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
35930 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 2:33 pm to
quote:

Hamas has released two U.S. hostages - a mother and her daughter - "for humanitarian reasons" in response to Qatari mediation efforts


I wonder how much the quatari negotiated us to pay them.
Posted by CrownTownHalo
CrownTown, NC
Member since Sep 2011
3080 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 2:57 pm to
quote:

For example, compartmentalizing information because one hand is concerned the other hand will screw up long term informants/operations, etc.

I.e…Mossad having intel on the bombing of the Marine Corp barracks
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 10/20/23 at 4:42 pm to


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