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re: Israel–Hamas War Discussion Thread: News Links On First Page
Posted on 10/14/23 at 12:06 pm to BayouBengal51
Posted on 10/14/23 at 12:06 pm to BayouBengal51
To summarize the analysis over the last few pages:
Hamas executed a well-planned series of coordinated raids into Israel, killing 1000+ Israeli citizens on their own soil in the process. For 2 years, they concealed their intentions better than Israeli intelligence units could detect them.
This same Hamas organization is “less than JV”, however, and the Israelis will have no trouble clearing them out from entrenched/fortified defenses in a MOUT environment.
Active duty IDF units will mainly be used in the cakewalk against the inferior opponent while the reserve units are sent north to deal with the much more dangerous Hezbollah threat.
Israel’s big win 50 years ago means they’ll have no trouble today.
Makes perfect sense.
Wish they’d hurry up and invade so we can spectate via the livestreams.
Smoke on Camera 3!
Hamas executed a well-planned series of coordinated raids into Israel, killing 1000+ Israeli citizens on their own soil in the process. For 2 years, they concealed their intentions better than Israeli intelligence units could detect them.
This same Hamas organization is “less than JV”, however, and the Israelis will have no trouble clearing them out from entrenched/fortified defenses in a MOUT environment.
Active duty IDF units will mainly be used in the cakewalk against the inferior opponent while the reserve units are sent north to deal with the much more dangerous Hezbollah threat.
Israel’s big win 50 years ago means they’ll have no trouble today.
Makes perfect sense.
Wish they’d hurry up and invade so we can spectate via the livestreams.
Smoke on Camera 3!
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Posted on 10/14/23 at 12:09 pm to BayouBengal51
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The Israeli Defense Force has announced that they are completing preparations for a Major Ground Operation in the Gaza Strip launched from the Land, Air, and Sea.
I believe Israel will be less safe in the long run if it proceeds with a full scale invasion of Gaza. Break things in gaza. Make a kill list. Break more things. Reinforce your own borders and protection. There just isn’t an exit ramp to a full scale invasion that ends with Israel having fewer enemies.
Gaza is not an existential threat to Israel’s survival. But it can tremendously weaken Israel to a point of existential vulnerability. I truly fear Israel chokes on Gaza if it tries to eat it right now.
Posted on 10/14/23 at 12:16 pm to Burt Orangello
you left out how the locals will be helping the IDF root out Hamas terrorists that have seized control without support of the people who live there
that’s what’ll make it easy
that’s what’ll make it easy
Posted on 10/14/23 at 12:20 pm to Hateradedrink
Nothing about it will be easy, which is why they’re not rushing in there.
They’ll go when they’re ready.
Despite being morally right, it’s going to be a grind and they will take casualties.
They’ll go when they’re ready.
Despite being morally right, it’s going to be a grind and they will take casualties.
Posted on 10/14/23 at 12:22 pm to Burt Orangello
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Hamas executed a well-planned series of coordinated raids into Israel, killing 1000+ Israeli citizens on their own soil in the process. For 2 years, they concealed their intentions better than Israeli intelligence units could detect them.
Yeah dude you are blowing shite out your arse now. First question, who would you rather face Hamas or Hezbollah? The answer is relatively straight forward to anyone with common sense and why is that? Could it be that Hezbollah has C&C, training areas in Lebanon and a legit log train. None of which Hamas has. I mean the last time the IDF went into Lebanon they learned this the hard way.
So next question, do you honestly think that planning and executing a raid with very little command and control is nearly as equivalent to defend a city against an overwhelming force that has combined arms and technology advantages?
I mean it’s obvious that you have experience but if you reread what you just posted you will see how ignorant you sound. Maybe all your experience is quick in and out tier 1 junkets but sustained combat/effectively planning a defense without legitimate command and control and untrained Soldiers and oh without a log train….good fricking luck with that.
The IDF is gonna take it slow, take significant causalities and eventually Hamas will cease to exist.
This post was edited on 10/14/23 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 10/14/23 at 12:22 pm to Burt Orangello
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Despite being morally right, it’s going to be a grind and they will take casualties.
It’s going to be a bloodbath.
Posted on 10/14/23 at 12:29 pm to Burt Orangello
quote:I can assure you this won’t be a cakewalk,,,,Israel is far superior in regards to strength and equipment however guerilla fighting in an urban area where the enemy is dug in will be a slobberknocker,,,,,,,the bombed out building make excellent fortifications,,,,,the tunnels will offer great shelter and places to store lots of munitions,,,,not to mention the ability to booby trap the hell out of the place,,,,,don’t forget, Hamas has since 2007 put on the facade that they were only the representative govt of Gaza/West Bank,,,,,in reality for many years they have been preparing for last weekends attacks and in reality they have probably been storing up for a long protracted urban warfare fight,,,,,,the IDF will prevail, but it will be another Fallujah, and probably worse.
Active duty IDF units will mainly be used in the cakewalk against the inferior opponent
Posted on 10/14/23 at 12:30 pm to Lima Whiskey
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The Israeli Ground Forces are a militia with a core of professional soldiers. It can conduct small raids in Lebanon, or Syria, and it can operate effectively as a police force. But anything bigger than that is going to be a challenge. They don't have career NCO, which means their junior officers are doing double duty, and their reservists don't get the training they need to perform well. Fighting in an urban area like Gaza will tax their weak points, while negating many of their advantages. Technology, will become a lot less important. Firepower will be less important. Airpower won't be that useful. Heavy casualties are likely under these circumstances, and Israel has always been very leery about that. And Israel hasn't fought a war like this since 1982. And hasn't fought on this scale since 1973.
There’s a lot more truth to this than you’re bring given credit for.
They’re more than a militia, but built mainly for defense. There are weaknesses in the middle and the reserves aren’t what people here keep making them out to be.
Posted on 10/14/23 at 12:31 pm to Boston911
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I can assure you this won’t be a cakewalk,
I was being facetious, pointing out inconsistent logic.
Posted on 10/14/23 at 12:31 pm to Burt Orangello
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Burt Orangello
I like you and your posts, but your insistence on focusing on a few posts/posters and then making blanket statements about this thread does nothing but bring heat on you, which will ultimately lead to people bashing you, then to you bashing them, and eventually to you spiraling again, finally ending up in yet another thread cleaning and another "take a break message" from Chicken.
I'll watch and read, but I will be shocked if this isn't exactly how it goes.
Posted on 10/14/23 at 12:32 pm to LegendInMyMind
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OSINTtechnical
@Osinttechnical
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15m
Note when the explosion happens, there is a significant fireball. This is highly inconsistent with conventional explosives delivered by air.
This is far more consistent with a gas canister explosion.
Thread with a breakdown with more info for anyone interested
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1713241560752533662
Posted on 10/14/23 at 12:33 pm to ABearsFanNMS
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Yeah dude you are blowing shite out your arse now.
Read that post again and note the “makes perfect sense
” at the end. 
Posted on 10/14/23 at 12:36 pm to Terminal Lance
Burt the Merc is here to explain how he is the only one that can possibly know what’s going on because he got his passport stamped
Posted on 10/14/23 at 12:37 pm to Burt Orangello
Have we been speculating on Israel letting this happen so they could war it up: My mind has been wandering to this the last few days.
Deif supposedly had one arm, one leg, and one eye. Guess they finally got the rest of him.
I am not a conspiracy person btw.
Deif supposedly had one arm, one leg, and one eye. Guess they finally got the rest of him.
I am not a conspiracy person btw.
Posted on 10/14/23 at 12:39 pm to Burt Orangello
quote:Right now they are obviously taking out command and control when and where they can find it but they are wearing them down, exhausting them, and using up resources but mostly affecting their mind and capacity to function effectively during that grind.
Despite being morally right, it’s going to be a grind and they will take casualties.
As someone else said they will be slow and methodical when when they do go. But yes it will be a grind on everybody they just wanted to be a more of a grind on Hamas than anybody.
And yep, the Talking Heads were interpreted methodical approach as Hamas putting up a better fight than anticipated or the IDF being too ineffective. They will be wrong, but that's what everybody will say nonetheless. But the Israelis dgaf
quote:I saw the subtle but unmisakeable sarcasm font. No worries
Read that post again and note the “makes perfect sense ?” at the end.
This post was edited on 10/14/23 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 10/14/23 at 12:41 pm to I20goon
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And yep, the Talking Heads were interpreted methodical approach as Hamas putting up a better fight than anticipated or the IDF being too ineffective. They will be wrong, but that's what everybody will say nonetheless. But the Israelis dgaf
Talking Heads were under the impression this was normal “whack a mole” for the IDF.
Not so much. Hamas fricked up so badly that Israel’s going to go hard at them to try and destroy their capabilities for decades, if not permanently, from Gaza.
Posted on 10/14/23 at 12:43 pm to LegendInMyMind
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I like you and your posts, but your insistence on focusing on a few posts/posters and then making blanket statements about this thread does nothing but bring heat on you, which will ultimately lead to people bashing you, then to you bashing them, and eventually to you spiraling again, finally ending up in yet another thread cleaning and another "take a break message" from Chicken.
Thanks for the heads up. I’ll do the bashing passive aggressively next time, so I should be good.
Like this:
quote:
Burt the Merc is here to explain how he is the only one that can possibly know what’s going on because he got his passport stamped
Posted on 10/14/23 at 12:44 pm to I20goon
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Right now they are obviously taking out command and control when and where they can find it but they are wearing them down, exhausting them, and using up resources but mostly affecting their mind and capacity to function effectively during that grind.
I think the ground offensive would’ve started a few days ago had they not been holding out hope that they could save some hostages. In that respect the tactic of taking hostages was successful for Hamas and likely allowed for the escape of many fighters or at the least more time to prepare and booby trap most of the city.
Posted on 10/14/23 at 12:44 pm to teke184
quote:I'll take their word for it that they are going to turn Gaza into a tent city. They're going to go all Warsaw on that place. But they won't do it from the air they would do it on the ground after they feel secure enough to do it
Not so much. Hamas fricked up so badly that Israel’s going to go hard at them to try and destroy their capabilities for decades, if not permanently, from Gaza.
Posted on 10/14/23 at 12:45 pm to I20goon
Apparently they are claiming to be coming from land, sea, and air.
Not sure if that means “amphibious invasion” or “shelling from the navy” but none of that is good for Gaza.
Not sure if that means “amphibious invasion” or “shelling from the navy” but none of that is good for Gaza.
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