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re: Is this the most divided our nation has been in your lifetime?
Posted on 1/11/21 at 4:39 pm to The Spleen
Posted on 1/11/21 at 4:39 pm to The Spleen
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I disagree on #1, unless we are talking lengthy term limits - say 8 terms for House and 4 terms for Senate. Those are just arbitrary numbers I threw out. A bigger impact on this issue would be campaign finance reform. It's insane that an incumbent can start a race with millions of dollars already in his or her war chest, usually before a primary or general opponent is even determined.
I could see where a lengthier term could be a positive, but I don't know if it is enough to offset the negative. Eight years is a significant commitment. Two four year terms would keep fresh blood flowing, it would provide some urgency in working together and getting stuff accomplished. It would require the parties to actually work together within their own ranks, as well as with the other party. Best of all, it would sever ties with outside influences such as lobbyists.
ETA: It would also remove the cult of personality some of the lifelong politicians seem to have where they will be voted in regardless of their actions or record simply because they are someone's favorite.
This post was edited on 1/11/21 at 4:42 pm
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Posted on 1/11/21 at 4:41 pm to windshieldman
Wait I'm dumb for not prescribing to the narrative that the world/country as we know it is over and the far left has taken the country permanently based on one election?
Posted on 1/11/21 at 4:44 pm to STLhog
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Wait I'm dumb for not prescribing to the narrative that the world/country as we know it is over and the far left has taken the country permanently based on one election?
I was making fun of myself, not you
Posted on 1/11/21 at 4:58 pm to fallguy_1978
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I know people who voted for Biden because "Trump is an a-hole". Yet, they couldn't name a single policy position of either candidate.
I don’t care if they hate Trump but they didn’t criticize a single policy other then immigration. They just thought he was a mean guy.
I’m also Indian so my family was excited when Harris was announced even though they knew almost nothing else of her at the time.
I think this “person over policy” mindset applies to a very portion of voters too. Both should be considered but policy is something that directly affects you. It’s weird that we live in a world with all the information at our fingertips yet so many people do not care educate themselves on simple politics.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 5:06 pm to windshieldman
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I was making fun of myself, not you
Ok. I'm sensitive!
Posted on 1/11/21 at 5:11 pm to 1BamaRTR
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I think this “person over policy” mindset applies to a very portion of voters too. Both should be considered but policy is something that directly affects you. It’s weird that we live in a world with all the information at our fingertips yet so many people do not care educate themselves on simple politics.
Spot on.
Further compounded this election in that one party literally went through an entire election cycle without having to offer anything substantial beyond "wear masks", "tax the rich" and "everyone is equal" from a policy perspective.
Trumps inability to succinctly attack that was a big problem. I know he brought it up and its a bigger problem that the media didn't push the issue whatsoever, but his inability to calmly and politely challenge that is what gives me hopes for a more reasonable conservative, heck outsider candidate.
It's patently absurd that I know, nor can find anything substantial even in writing on Biden's policy addressing China, Russa and Isreal/Middle East.
Meanwhile the incumbent was crucified (although in a normal election, rightfully so) for not being specific on his healthcare policy.
Wild times.
This post was edited on 1/11/21 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 1/11/21 at 5:44 pm to 1BamaRTR
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I don’t care if they hate Trump but they didn’t criticize a single policy other then immigration. They just thought he was a mean guy.
And now republicans are being banned en masse from Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, etc.
They banned Ron Paul today. Ron frigging Paul.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 5:48 pm to _Hurricane_
Yes, and I was around during the Vietnam era.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 5:49 pm to The Spleen
This post was edited on 1/11/21 at 6:38 pm
Posted on 1/11/21 at 5:50 pm to goofball
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And now republicans are being banned en masse from Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, etc.
I got downvoted to hell for saying there was a Twitter purge going on the same day they banned Trump. It was as true then as it is now. People were losing hundreds of followers, and all of them couldn't be chalked up to butthurt people deleting their accounts.
This post was edited on 1/11/21 at 5:51 pm
Posted on 1/11/21 at 5:51 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
Appears the nation prefers either right or left authoritarianism and all the moderates, liberals are gone.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 5:59 pm to The Spleen
quote:I would hope term limits would cripple these groups. They wouldn't have the support they get now, because they wouldn't have their hooks as far into the politicians.
lobbyists and special interests.
quote:I would think term limits might bring an end to, or at least slow down, groups donating so much money. The likelihood of corruption, would be less, with our legislators only being there for 4-8 years. There would be no long term commitments to donors.
campaign finance reform.
Most people worry about having too many new people, and that's a valid concern, Maybe the elected folks will have easier decisions from not having to take their special interest groups into account when making every decision. Decisions might become easier. Just do what's right.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 6:01 pm to chinese58
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Most people worry about having too many new people, and that's a valid concern
No it isn’t. Government service shouldn’t be so unbelievably complicated it’s impossible to navigate without decades of experience. If that’s true, it’s a problem in itself.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 6:27 pm to STLhog
quote:Our country electing presidents is a little like NFL owners hiring coaches. If the player's coach fails, they hire a hard-arse coach and vice versa.
I am choosing to be more optimistic and hope this is cyclical.
Obama's Executive Orders were a big reason a lot of people I know voted for Trump in 2016. All of my senior citizen parents' friends for the gender identity crap.
This post was edited on 1/11/21 at 6:39 pm
Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:52 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Appears the nation prefers either right or left authoritarianism and all the moderates, liberals are gone.
Where are these alleged "right" authoritarians? I only see those on the left side of the aisle and running social media companies.
Posted on 1/12/21 at 8:16 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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Where are these alleged "right" authoritarians? I only see those on the left side of the aisle and running social media companies.
You can't deny the optics of some of Trump's handling of certain things.
This is the very problem.
He walked back on what appeared to be significant progress started by Obama(although conveniently late and when his administration was done) surrounding cold war drone practice and military transparency.
I realize many here are super down with blasting the middle east to hell but autonomous, dark state military procedure has gotten us nowhere for 40 years over there.
It's certainly not to the level of the left ala Big Tech right now but there were a number of Ego driven things that were downright stupid on Trump's part.
And if you can't see/understand the concerningly similar personality traits that many people see, that in itself is another problem right now.
This post was edited on 1/12/21 at 8:18 am
Posted on 1/12/21 at 8:19 am to STLhog
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He walked back on what appeared to be significant progress started by Obama(although conveniently late and when his administration was done) surrounding cold war drone practice and military transparency.
Can you specify what you mean here?
Posted on 1/12/21 at 8:54 pm to Kafka
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Its not simply the division. It's the rabid virulence of the left toward anyone who disagrees with them on anything.
I’m north of 70 and I totally agree with this. There is NO free speech anymore. This is the makings of a very bleak future if this persists.
Posted on 1/12/21 at 10:18 pm to MarcusATLSU
quote:is not one side at least a little more tolerant than the other?
The thing is all of this stuff we call "politics" is just a preference. And it's ok for you to pick one side or the other. But what's not ok really is to treat other Americans as though they're scum and not human just because we disagree with them. Again, this is done by both sides. Not finger pointing at any one side.
one side seems to always point out the intolerance of the other; a great deal of accusations toward one particular group.
any idea which side that may be?
Posted on 1/12/21 at 10:42 pm to Fewer Kilometers
I really think that people were more divided in the 60s but the media today is far less objective. Reporting has been replaced with agendas and social media is nothing but leftist sensors.
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