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re: Is there a lack of Black male representation in K-12 education?
Posted on 9/16/19 at 4:12 pm to volod
Posted on 9/16/19 at 4:12 pm to volod
quote:Kquote:I'm disturbed by the fact that, based on data, you could imply that school systems are more parental to some children than their actual parents.
So you're reduced to threats of black male?
Baw you keep me posted on that, you hear?
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Posted on 9/16/19 at 4:13 pm to volod
Yes.
Teaching has a ridiculous level of turnover, and a very large (something like 33%) number of teachers quit in the first three years and never return.
Why? The people who want to be teachers were typically people who had positive experiences in school, and that means they attended schools that were effective and well-run. The places that hire the most new teachers are schools with high turnover, and those schools are not well-run or effective. When the job turns out to be vastly different from what the new hires expected, they leave.
Schools are not always willing to let teachers do what is necessary to create a good learning environment by enforcing discipline. Teachers are often frustrated by having students who come to them lacking basic skills, and are multiple grade levels behind where they should be. Teachers lose autonomy over their own classrooms due to state mandates and teaching to standardized tests.
But those were all general concerns about teachers as a whole. I'm not sure why Black men are underrepresented in particular. Perhaps they typically didn't attend schools that were effective, and they saw teachers struggle at work. Maybe they feel primarily motivated to attend college by a desire to improve their socioeconomic status, and feel that going to college for a relatively low pay and low status job isn't worth it. Could be that they see teaching as a stereotypically female job, and that creates a self-perpetuating cycle.
Teaching has a ridiculous level of turnover, and a very large (something like 33%) number of teachers quit in the first three years and never return.
Why? The people who want to be teachers were typically people who had positive experiences in school, and that means they attended schools that were effective and well-run. The places that hire the most new teachers are schools with high turnover, and those schools are not well-run or effective. When the job turns out to be vastly different from what the new hires expected, they leave.
Schools are not always willing to let teachers do what is necessary to create a good learning environment by enforcing discipline. Teachers are often frustrated by having students who come to them lacking basic skills, and are multiple grade levels behind where they should be. Teachers lose autonomy over their own classrooms due to state mandates and teaching to standardized tests.
But those were all general concerns about teachers as a whole. I'm not sure why Black men are underrepresented in particular. Perhaps they typically didn't attend schools that were effective, and they saw teachers struggle at work. Maybe they feel primarily motivated to attend college by a desire to improve their socioeconomic status, and feel that going to college for a relatively low pay and low status job isn't worth it. Could be that they see teaching as a stereotypically female job, and that creates a self-perpetuating cycle.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 4:14 pm to volod
Black men that go to college want to do something that makes money.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 4:15 pm to volod
they are too busy getting Sociology degrees
Posted on 9/16/19 at 4:19 pm to volod
So... it is a choice. Why does it matter, provided there isn't intentional discrimination? Overall teachers should be valued more and better compensated. Rather than focusing on color, the issue should be addressed as a whole and made better... for the children sake, not any particular race or gender.
Of course, that isn't as appealing to liberals who love to beat their drums and bring attention to themselves rather than make a difference where it matters. IMHO
Of course, that isn't as appealing to liberals who love to beat their drums and bring attention to themselves rather than make a difference where it matters. IMHO
Posted on 9/16/19 at 4:20 pm to tigerfoot
What is the percentage of black Men receiving BS degrees in 2018? Of that percentage ,how many majored in Education? Of black Men who majored in Education what is the percentage that majored in Science/Mathematics Education?
Posted on 9/16/19 at 4:20 pm to volod
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Also, I dont do well in front of crowds. You can tell by posting history that I have feeble social skills.
The trick was to get so fricked up on benzos that you forget who you are, so it doesnt matter anymore. If you time it just right (is tricky), everything kicks in full force by the end of the first song.
And the only thing you really do know, is that the other half of that 8 ball is waiting..
Then you get old, end up having to be air lifted in your 30s..and realize you're a glorified carnie.
This post was edited on 9/16/19 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 9/16/19 at 4:22 pm to volod
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Kyle Boyer quit his job at one of those schools. He says teachers were given little autonomy to run their classrooms the way they thought best. And there was lots of pressure to raise test scores.
No authority in the classroom, pressure to raise test scores... but hey, let's add more government intervention to our education system because it's already working so well.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 4:24 pm to volod
Males, in general, are underrepresented in education.
You have very few male teachers who aren't coaches, or aren't teaching for 3 years just so they can move into administration.
You have very few male teachers who aren't coaches, or aren't teaching for 3 years just so they can move into administration.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 4:26 pm to volod
Need more males in a lot of fields such as education and nursing.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 4:28 pm to volod
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Kyle Boyer quit his job at one of those schools. He says teachers were given little autonomy to run their classrooms the way they thought best. And there was lots of pressure to raise test scores. "When you're constantly under the pressures of data and assessment [and there's no] freedom and trust to innovate, I think it leads folks to not really be happy with their jobs," he said. On surveys, 50 percent of teachers of color who leave their jobs cite job dissatisfaction. Here's a graph that shows what they are dissatisfied with.
This has absolutely nothing to do with being black.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 4:37 pm to volod
There were plenty of black male teachers and administrators during the era of segregation.
White men in black robes decided that wasn't kosher, so they took away their schools, their history and their teachers.
White men in black robes decided that wasn't kosher, so they took away their schools, their history and their teachers.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 4:39 pm to volod
Maybe they’re wising up and realizing that if they get a college degree, they should major in something that leads to more than a $45k/year ceiling.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 4:43 pm to Chuck Barris
quote:lol no. The majority of teachers are silly white girls who get married and pregnant and then quite to raise a family. The education should pay make teachers of all races double what they pay women just to get more men in the field.
Why? The people who want to be teachers were typically people who had positive experiences in school, and that means they attended schools that were effective and well-run. The places that hire the most new teachers are schools with high turnover, and those schools are not well-run or effective. When the job turns out to be vastly different from what the new hires expected, they leave.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 4:55 pm to volod
I'm not a racist. I don't think white people are superior to any other race, nor do I think that other races are superior or inferior to another.
But for some reason, every profession that requires passing tests for qualification or certification is "underrepresented" with minorities.
Also, why the hell is ANYONE going to education anymore?
But for some reason, every profession that requires passing tests for qualification or certification is "underrepresented" with minorities.
Also, why the hell is ANYONE going to education anymore?
Posted on 9/16/19 at 4:55 pm to cgrand
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no
Posted on 9/16/19 at 4:57 pm to volod
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There was a 22 percent increase in the number of male teachers between 1988 and 2012. The increases were especially large among Hispanic and Asian men.
Why did the white male overlords allow this?
Posted on 9/16/19 at 6:40 pm to volod
It’s worth noting that the current generation of kids is more diverse while most teachers are of a generation that was 70% or more white
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