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re: Is the OT with the dock workers or against?
Posted on 10/2/24 at 8:25 am to Bluefin
Posted on 10/2/24 at 8:25 am to Bluefin
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As a team, their entire purpose is to move as slowly as possible so that they can go into overtime hours and collect overtime pay for a job they could do in half the time. I witnessed a crane operator pretend to load the same container onto four different trucks because they were on the verge of overtime.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize cutting these jobs out of the equation is an instant means of reducing overall costs to end users.
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Posted on 10/2/24 at 8:25 am to notsince98
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3) they want a written guarantee that port owners won't automate anything like most foreign ports have done or are doing
This is the part that pisses me off the most. Preventing efficiency, greater productivity, and lower costs simply to keep the gravy train rolling.
Just like the teachers union could not care less about the students, these folks could not care less about productivity and evolving.
This post was edited on 10/2/24 at 8:26 am
Posted on 10/2/24 at 8:26 am to thadcastle
I wouldn't care if they were trying to get more money, but it is kind of asinine to argue against progress. Give them a raise, offer some coding/industrial organizing classes to whomever would like them, and never promise to not autotomize.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 8:26 am to Darth_Vader
50% Frick them
Posted on 10/2/24 at 8:34 am to Chucktown_Badger
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This is the part that pisses me off the most. Preventing efficiency, greater productivity, and lower costs simply to keep the gravy train rolling.
Just like the teachers union could not care less about the students, these folks could not care less about productivity and evolving.
this is my thing. I dont mind them asking for a raise but 50% over 6 is more than generous...but frick them over the automation bullshite
feel like im watching a real life episode of the wire down to the mobbed up president.
frick anyone that fights automation in a manual labor position.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 8:41 am to Proximo
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hink they turned down a 50% raise already and they want protections against robots
“We want ironclad guarantees of continued buggy whip production, Mr. Ford”
Posted on 10/2/24 at 8:43 am to DesScorp
I read the below blurb this morning
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According to the World Bank's 2023 Container Port Performance Index, which measures efficiency, the US does not have a *single* port that is ranked in the top 50 globally. This is no coincidence. While ports from the Netherlands to Australia work to automate to great success, union contracts limit the ability of ports to adopt technology that enhances efficiency.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 8:44 am to Proximo
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and they want protections against robots
What's wrong with shotguns?
Posted on 10/2/24 at 8:49 am to LSUFanHouston
So these are basically neo-Luddites?
Posted on 10/2/24 at 8:53 am to I20goon
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Replace them with scabs and Elon/Amazon technology in right-to-work states and with the national guard in closed shop states.
Hold up. You want the National Guard to go do someone else's job, because why? That's not the function of the National Guard.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 8:53 am to thadcastle
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Unions kinda f up free markets.
Fair enough, but so do corporations that destroy small businesses then slowly lower the standards of living for their employees to increase profit margin every year. Unions are a necessary evil to balance it out. Corporations are "strength by money". Unions are "strength by numbers". They both can be "greedy".
This post was edited on 10/2/24 at 8:59 am
Posted on 10/2/24 at 8:58 am to thadcastle
Buy them out and automate the ports
Pay them to frick off.
Ends up being a win-win.
Pay them to frick off.
Ends up being a win-win.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 9:28 am to thadcastle
I support automation for these types of jobs. Safer, less expensive, and less dependent on emotional workers who threaten to strike
Posted on 10/2/24 at 9:54 am to Barneyrb
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I've spent most of my working life automating companies and processes, I've never had a controller or drive go on strike. I've had them get sick once or twice but never struck or asked for more money.
When we were shown a demo of robot fork lifts some of union guys were laughing at how slow the machine loaded and unloaded the trucks.
The plant manager goes "yea well it doesn't stop work every 5 minutes to check its I-phone."
This post was edited on 10/2/24 at 9:54 am
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:13 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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Buy them out and automate the ports
Its a good risk management strategy to boot. Zero human error or opportunity for personal injury when it’s machines doing the work and no one walking around not paying attention.
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