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re: Is it better to rent or buy a house

Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:03 am to
Posted by PearlJam
NotBeardEaves
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:03 am to
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It's neither, this isn't a binary choice
I didn't say it was a binary choice. If you could track a conversation you would see that the poster I responded to compared home ownership to purchasing utilities.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11842 posts
Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:03 am to
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While true, if you can get close to break even of even only 5 or 10K "loss" after 5 years that's still better than paying $1200 a month in rent x 12 x 5 years for a place to live


If you invest the principle payment and maintenance and remodel savings in the stock market then you could easily offset some of that $1,200 per month.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37536 posts
Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:03 am to
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It's more often than not an appreciating asset


That doesnt really matter if it costs more to for to ensure it appreciates.
Posted by PearlJam
NotBeardEaves
Member since Aug 2014
13908 posts
Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:03 am to
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Calling a house a depreciating asset is a stretch?
typically, yes.
This post was edited on 7/9/19 at 10:05 am
Posted by Hangover Haven
Metry
Member since Oct 2013
34743 posts
Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:04 am to
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I'm now looking at 5k a month mortgage in a less than perfect area


Assuming you put 10% down, and doing the math, you paid between 6 and 8k for a house in a shitty area?

Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37536 posts
Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:04 am to
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If you could track a conversation you would see that the poster I responded to compared home ownership to purchasing utilities.


Sorry I didn't go back and track back to the specific poster out of the half dozen telling you you're wrong.
Posted by Hammertime
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
Member since Jan 2012
43031 posts
Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:05 am to
So buying one house isn't an investment, but buying two would be? What if I rented an apt, but bought a house, rented it out to cover costs, then sold it for a profit as intended?
This post was edited on 7/9/19 at 10:07 am
Posted by Hangover Haven
Metry
Member since Oct 2013
34743 posts
Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:06 am to
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yep, the house I live in is paid off but I pay the gov't. about $14k/yr. for the privilege of living in it


Holy shite... What area of Texas do you live?
This post was edited on 7/9/19 at 10:07 am
Posted by PearlJam
NotBeardEaves
Member since Aug 2014
13908 posts
Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:07 am to
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Sorry I didn't go back and track back to the specific poster out of the half dozen telling you you're wrong.
What a cowardly way of acknowledging you were off base.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
22314 posts
Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:07 am to
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You are arguing against a point that wasn't made (a straw man) and completely over stated the case to try to argue the point.


No, he is arguing that houses do not fit the label of "investment."

Minimizing cost is not investing. It sounds like you agree with him but just want to stick to "traditional" labels.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
93541 posts
Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:07 am to
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Because a lot of idiots watch TV shows, and then decide they can do it all themselves. I dated one girl who bought a flip house. She didn't even know how to put up light fixtures or fans, so she was subbing it out


case in point, I used to do a bit of flipping, got several good deals by taking a property off of the hands of people like that, once the niche has gotten to the point of having reality shows and seminars about it, it's usually too late to jump on the band wagon
Posted by PearlJam
NotBeardEaves
Member since Aug 2014
13908 posts
Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:08 am to
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That doesnt really matter if it costs more to for to ensure it appreciates.
Sure it matters, because the alternative is usually expending similar money with no appreciating asset to show for it.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11842 posts
Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:11 am to
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case in point, I used to do a bit of flipping, got several good deals by taking a property off of the hands of people like that, once the niche has gotten to the point of having reality shows and seminars about it, it's usually too late to jump on the band wagon


That is a problem we are running into. Too many people bidding on shitty properties to rehab. The starting price is usually the right price but they are getting bid up.

Using subs gets too costly. My time is too expensive to do myself.

There is money to be made but it has gotten a lot harder.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
93541 posts
Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:11 am to
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What area of Texas do you live?


cookie cutter suburbia, Keller, and I do mean cookie cutter, there is nothing spectacular about the development I'm in
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37536 posts
Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:11 am to
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because the alternative is usually expending similar money with no appreciating asset to show for it.


No its not. You take the savings from post purchase costs and invest them in other areas.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11842 posts
Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:13 am to
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So buying one house isn't an investment, but buying two would be? What if I rented an apt, but bought a house, rented it out to cover costs, then sold it for a profit as intended?


What you are describing is literally investing. I would wager 99% of people who buy a single personal residence is not doing what you are doing.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:14 am to
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yep, the house I live in is paid off but I pay the gov't. about $14k/yr. for the privilege of living in it


My property taxes last year were under $1,000. Yikes.
Posted by PearlJam
NotBeardEaves
Member since Aug 2014
13908 posts
Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:15 am to
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Minimizing cost is not investing
Ok. Owning an appreciating asset by increasing your shelter cost by a small fraction is an investment.

The purchaser and renter both have an essential cost. But, stripping out that essential cost, the owner is left with a valuable asset (one that will appreciate over time) and the renter does not. That is an investment.

It isn't an investment without risk or that makes sense for everyone, everywhere, all of the time. The rush to argue that it isn't an investment is simply a reaction to a traditional verification that homeownership is always better than renting. That isn't true, but it doesn't change the fact that real estate ownership is an investment.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37536 posts
Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:17 am to
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The purchaser and renter both have an essential cost. But, stripping out that essential cost, the owner is left with a valuable asset (one that will appreciate over time) and the renter does not


Yes they are.

quote:

That is an investment


No its not, you said it yourself, it's a cost.
Posted by PearlJam
NotBeardEaves
Member since Aug 2014
13908 posts
Posted on 7/9/19 at 10:17 am to
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You take the savings from post purchase costs
These costs are, by in large, factored into your rent. It is a myth to assume you aren't paying these costs simply because it isn't a line item in your rent.
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