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re: Is Gen Z etc totally out of touch about salaries?
Posted on 5/22/22 at 4:28 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 5/22/22 at 4:28 pm to lsupride87
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$15 will have you renting in a bad part of town, saving no money for the future, gaining no wealth at all, and living a complete no frills life where you live in basic grocery meals every meal of your life
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Define that how you want
Entry level job.
Nobody in this 20 page thread is saying $15 is perfectly fine to live on for the rest of your life.
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Posted on 5/22/22 at 4:29 pm to Greenie10
Posted on 5/22/22 at 4:29 pm to deeprig9
quote:That is not the lives my grandparents nor aunts/uncles lived upon entry, all of which never went to college. Just saying
Entry level job.
This post was edited on 5/22/22 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 5/22/22 at 4:31 pm to Greenie10
$15 is a little low these days, but these kids are idiots for not realizing those benefits make it worth it and there’s actually room for advancement.
Posted on 5/22/22 at 4:32 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:Agreed, always put in at least up to the company match. No other investment will give you a dollar to dollar return.
HUGE mistake. 100% return instantly plus time value of money.
Posted on 5/22/22 at 4:32 pm to lsupride87
quote:I define it as working the takeout window of a McDonald's Drive-thru. If you're in that same job, at the same salary after a couple of years, you may be doing something wrong. A manager's position at one of those places brings in around $45-50K.
Define that how you want
Posted on 5/22/22 at 4:35 pm to NC_Tigah
Did you not just see that picture about what Bucky's pays? Those are entry-level jobs, probably don't even need a high school degree type jobs and they are paying a living wage
Posted on 5/22/22 at 4:36 pm to Froman
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$15 is a little low these days, but these kids are idiots for not realizing those benefits make it worth it and there’s actually room for advancement.
wasn't it right before Covid that most of the people on here were against raising the minimum wage to that? that it was unrealistically high? that people should be able to just make more on their own merit?
Posted on 5/22/22 at 4:37 pm to 777Tiger
Before covid a gallon of gas didn't cost $6. You are comparing apples to oranges. The country has been absolutely destroyed over the course of the last 2 years.
Posted on 5/22/22 at 4:38 pm to Jsand43
quote:Yeah. That's why I didn't cite Bucees as a $15/hr job.
Did you not just see that picture about what Bucky's pays?
Posted on 5/22/22 at 4:40 pm to Jsand43
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a gallon of gas didn't cost $6
was pretty close to that where I live several years prior to Covid, diesel was certainly about where it is now at that time
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You are comparing apples to oranges.
seems like a very OT thing
Posted on 5/22/22 at 4:43 pm to NC_Tigah
No worldwide medical distribution center should pay less money than an overrated truck stop
Posted on 5/22/22 at 4:44 pm to Jsand43
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Those are entry-level jobs, probably don't even need a high school degree type jobs and they are paying a living wage
We have a shitload of sea side jobs, can't fill them. Pays well, great benefits.
The hinderance locally is the piss test, I believe. Have to hire a lot of out of staters.
These people complaining about low wages are definitely not the professional type. Those people understand how to increase your worth. Its the HS grad or less with no real life experience. I doubt these people can manage their own life. You could set the min wage at $30hr and they'd probably still protest.
This post was edited on 5/22/22 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 5/22/22 at 4:46 pm to Greenie10
$15/hr is roughly 1/2 what that job should pay. Employers are out of touch with reality. You can get a $15 job with benefits being a warm body. We paid warehouse pickers $18+ starting 15 years ago with typical fortune 500 benefits.
One example today, if you SUCK at uber in my market you can make $29 before expenses. If you have two brain cells you can make $40 an hour. I routinely make $50-$70 hr working smart with Uber while I am back in school. If I am out an hour and it doesn't look like I am going to break into the $40+ range I bail and just drive another time.
Gig work shows the real market wage and I would say it is about $25 for physical labor with no brains involved. It isn't just uber, you can do it with shopping and food delivery apps or make even more with task rabbit. I just settled on Uber because I can go bust it Friday and Saturday and make a $1k+ or I can go take it easy one night and make $200-$300 in a few hours or anything in between.
Smart managers would be paying todays market wage, it is only going up, all signs point to a shrinking work force and weaker dollar that will push the labor market. The Supply and Demand curves work on the labor side too.
One example today, if you SUCK at uber in my market you can make $29 before expenses. If you have two brain cells you can make $40 an hour. I routinely make $50-$70 hr working smart with Uber while I am back in school. If I am out an hour and it doesn't look like I am going to break into the $40+ range I bail and just drive another time.
Gig work shows the real market wage and I would say it is about $25 for physical labor with no brains involved. It isn't just uber, you can do it with shopping and food delivery apps or make even more with task rabbit. I just settled on Uber because I can go bust it Friday and Saturday and make a $1k+ or I can go take it easy one night and make $200-$300 in a few hours or anything in between.
Smart managers would be paying todays market wage, it is only going up, all signs point to a shrinking work force and weaker dollar that will push the labor market. The Supply and Demand curves work on the labor side too.
Posted on 5/22/22 at 4:47 pm to 777Tiger
quote:do you still not see it...? $41K in 1984 was no where near poverty level. Hell, even in 2022 the US Government doesn't consider $41k a year below the poverty level.
was kind of bouncing back and forth responding to a couple of people, what I said was, according to google, $1500 in 1984(which is what I started out at in NYC in 1984, is equivalent to about $4100 today, it was poverty level,
As I said earlier your $41k in 1984 is equal to $107K in 2021. Right now in NYC the average household income is $107k and the median is $67k. So your starting "poverty" salary is the sames as the current average household income and $40K greater than the median household income.
quote:And I thought Zoomers were suppose to be the self absorbed generation. I can now see how you're so out of touch though. You're not out of touch because you're old. You've been out of touch your entire life.
it was poverty level, certainly for my qualifications
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wasn't really bitching, putting anyone down, just discussin', and pointing out that you have to play the cards you're dealt, that's all
Yeah everyone's playing the cards they're dealt. The average person in the previous generation started their poker game with a pair of eights. The current generation is starting with a 2 & 7. It's a losing hand from the get-go. I don't want to come off rude. I just really want to help you see the truth. The zoomer generation has a lot of issues. But at the same time they have been dealt by far the worst hand at life financially.
Can't you see that something's wrong when you're "poverty" salary is the same as the average household's salary?
Posted on 5/22/22 at 4:47 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Piss test are one of the reasons I quit working big companies. I don't drink alcohol but I like to smoke weed, and that's a big time no no for those idiots.
Posted on 5/22/22 at 4:50 pm to armsdealer
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Gig work shows the real market wage
LINK
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Uber has stated that its drivers can earn $55,000 per year.
Independent analysis shows that the hourly earnings of a typical Uber driver are less than fifteen dollars an hour.
Posted on 5/22/22 at 4:51 pm to Greenie10
Yes they are retarded. But that’s a pretty low wage. Hole watches in a plant make 20+ an hour to sit on a bucket.
Posted on 5/22/22 at 4:52 pm to Jsand43
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Piss test are one of the reasons I quit working big companies
I'm not tested, hourly employees and sea side are.
I wouldn't work where I have to get tested again.
Posted on 5/22/22 at 4:52 pm to FLBooGoTigs1
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Hell the turnover now probably Hoovers around 25% a year and that includes salary and hourly.
This is mostly due to companies not valuing their own employees. They will pay someone with 1 year experience somewhere else 20% more than they will pay someone who got their experience at their company. It is really dumb. Too many idiots make it into management, and even more make it into HR.
My plan 100% when I get my degree is to find the highest paying place out the gate to get my certification. When I get certified I am shopping around for the best situation. I know the company I start with WON'T give me the 20-30% bump the competition will once I am certified, I will give them a chance to match if I like the situation, but they won't because most HR is dumb and for generations people have just taken it up their arse from their companies. I might even just "travel". The local places are paying $80/hr for travel (that doesn't include the staffing service cut) because they can't stay staffed. The typical starting salary right now for the job is $25-$30hr yet they can still make money paying $80/hr + the staffing %, why on earth do they just not pay more to their employees?
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