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re: Investigators When they KNEW Murdaugh lied (Page 112)
Posted on 2/27/23 at 5:00 pm to TDsngumbo
Posted on 2/27/23 at 5:00 pm to TDsngumbo
Similar to my opinion. I may feel a bit stronger on his guilt mainly based on an innocent man not needing to lie. I lean more to a hung jury/mistrial as opposed to not guilty verdict. But not guilty wouldn’t surprise me at all.
Prosecution hasn’t been impressive. Guilty verdict probably a long shot IMO.
Prosecution hasn’t been impressive. Guilty verdict probably a long shot IMO.
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 5:01 pm to TDsngumbo
That’s where I’m at as well. I think he was involved somehow, probably fallout from any number of his shady dealings, but I don’t think he actually pulled the trigger.
In the end, I think he’ll be found not guilty
In the end, I think he’ll be found not guilty
Posted on 2/27/23 at 5:09 pm to clownbaby
He might be the slimiest defendent I’ve ever seen. Just almost no redeeming qualities, and that goes for the entire family, going back generations. Hopefully he goes away for life on the financial crimes. But as sleezy as he is, and with his family reputation, I could see him skating on that too.
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 5:12 pm to Festus
He is getting at least 20 years to life on the fraud, they are tons of charges
Posted on 2/27/23 at 5:16 pm to TDsngumbo
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Yep, that looks bad. My thoughts are as follows: There are an awful lot of coincidences and lying involved in this case. Alex Murdaugh appears to be one fricked go individual, no doubt about that. But did he murder his wife and kids? It looks that way but I, as a casual observer, haven’t seen enough to 100% convince me. I am, however, leaning towards him being involved just not directly as the person who pulled the trigger. I wouldn’t be surprised with a not guilty verdict.
I would be surprised with not guilty. I don’t see any evidence that points to a different killer. And there is too much evidence that he was there at the time of the murders.
Posted on 2/27/23 at 5:27 pm to Festus
The last case I followed this closely was the Darrell Brooks case. The main thing I kept thinking about today was how much more “good ol boy” this courtroom feels.
Posted on 2/27/23 at 6:15 pm to MBclass83
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When I read "how could a father kill his own son", I think of Chris Watts in Texas who killed both his young daughters and put them in some storage tank. So, it happens all the time, unfortunately. I think he's guilty as hell but I wouldn't give him the death penalty. That's to easy on him.
Chris watts was in Colorado not Texas . I randomly had a case with the judge who oversaw his. He got taken off of it for being in over his head. Csb I know.
This post was edited on 2/27/23 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 2/27/23 at 6:30 pm to AGGIES
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And there is too much evidence that he was there at the time of the murders.
So if you were on the jury, you’d convict based on the idea that he was there at the time of the murders? By that logic, maybe the dogs pulled the trigger because they were there too. Convicting a person of two murders is significant and I would only do it if 100% convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Posted on 2/27/23 at 6:34 pm to TDsngumbo
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So if you were on the jury, you’d convict based on the idea that he was there at the time of the murders? By that logic, maybe the dogs pulled the trigger because they were there too. Convicting a person of two murders is significant and I would only do it if 100% convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Yep. I think he was 100% involved, but nobody can say he 100% pulled the trigger. Not guilty unfortunately. This case is the very definition of reasonable doubt for these charges
This post was edited on 2/27/23 at 6:36 pm
Posted on 2/27/23 at 6:47 pm to Corso
Let's talk a bit more about some of his clients.
Young Mr. Pinkney: Fees to Alex 4.2 million, stole an additional million. Several days after the massive award happened, somehow, what a coincidence, Mr. Pinkney's ventilator was accidentally turned off. Just four days.
Let coincidence resonate in your mind.
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And another
Many people have an internal right/wrong switch. I wonder at what age Alex's got stuck on wrong. How cruel to his fellow men and women can one man be?
Young Mr. Pinkney: Fees to Alex 4.2 million, stole an additional million. Several days after the massive award happened, somehow, what a coincidence, Mr. Pinkney's ventilator was accidentally turned off. Just four days.
Let coincidence resonate in your mind.
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Alania and Hannah Plyler were just nine and 12 when their mother Angela, 37, and 14-year-old brother Justin were killed in a car wreck in which they were both injured in 2005.
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Murdaugh recruited Laffitte to serve as conservator to the Plyler sisters. The seven-figure settlements vanished under his watch and he was later convicted on six federal bank fraud charges in November 2022.
While the Plyler sisters have settled with the bank, attorney Eric Bland says they are continuing to seek justice from Laffitte personally.
And another
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Waters also questioned Murdaugh about Arthur Badger, a widower whose wife Donna was killed in a car crash in 2011. Murdaugh stole more than $1.3m that was owed to the 35-year-old woman's family.
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Instead of paying the $1.3m to her husband of 12 years, he pocketed the 14 settlement payments - moving them into the accounts of his family, associates and to pay off credit card bills.
Many people have an internal right/wrong switch. I wonder at what age Alex's got stuck on wrong. How cruel to his fellow men and women can one man be?
Posted on 2/27/23 at 6:56 pm to real turf fan
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Many people have an internal right/wrong switch. I wonder at what age Alex's got stuck on wrong. How cruel to his fellow men and women can one man be?
Finally watching this Netflix doc right now, sounds like Paul was headed that way too. I honestly think at some point this kind of generational power and wealth can cause the offspring to just be psychopaths. Sounds like Alex was born to think everybody was disposable as long as he had what he wanted, sounds like Paul was born to think everybody was disposable as long as he had what he wanted. It seems like this family thought of other people as no different than their boats and 4-wheelers and whatever toys
Posted on 2/27/23 at 6:59 pm to Corso
Summary of today: I missed the brothers testimony.
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Palmbach testified that the likelihood of two shooters was mostly common sense. All evidence so far has indicted the two people killed were shot close to the same time. They stopped using their cellphones within seconds of each other. Both victims appeared to be surprised, with their hands down and no evidence either of them tried to come to the other's aid or was running away.
The second, fatal shotgun blast to Paul Murdaugh's head was at close range, meaning blood, skull fragments, other matter and possibly pellets would have been launched back at the shooter, Palmbach said.
That shooter "minimally was stunned — probably blood and material in his eyes and maybe have been injured and would have taken some degree of time to recover," Palmbach said.
In addition, carrying two long guns would have been cumbersome and awkward given that the rifle used to kill Maggie Murdaugh could have had a clip carrying 20 to 30 bullets. "You can't handle and shoot both of them," he said.
An important part of Alex Murdaugh's defense is to show that investigators failed to thoroughly collect crime scene evidence and to sow doubt about expert testimony for the prosecution stating that authorities did everything possible to find the killer.
The defense also used Monday's testimony to point out that neither weapon used in the shootings has been found, that state agents at the scene didn't look for footprints or fingerprints and that no evidence of blood, brain matter or other material from the killings were found on Alex Murdaugh or his clothes.
The shooter "would have been literally covered in all that material," Palmbach said.
There were only 16 minutes between the time the victims stopped using their cellphones and when Alex Murdaugh left his house about 1,100 feet from the crime scene to visit his ailing mother. He called 911 when he found the bodies shortly after returning home.
In cross-examination, prosecutors focused on Palmbach's analysis that the fatal shotgun blast was fired from above Paul Murdaugh's head, even though hair, blood and other material was found on the ceiling above in a storage closet the family called the feed room.
Palmbach said the force of gases from the shotgun blast was like a bomb inside the enclosed skull, sending particles out of the same hole the shot created.
Alex Murdaugh cried several times during the graphic testimony. Monitors the courtroom audience can use to see evidence were covered as they have been whenever crime scene and autopsy photos are shown.
Murdaugh's brother, John Marvin Murdaugh, was the last defense witness.
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 7:05 pm to real turf fan
quote:Someone in court said that the drugs he was on can turn off reasoning cognitive skills, a blurr from right and wrong.
Many people have an internal right/wrong switch. I wonder at what age Alex's got stuck on wrong. How cruel to his fellow men and women can one man be?
I think that is a poor excuse. I think he owned the town and didn't think he would ever get caught because their family ruled the courts.
It is at minimum a sociopath to steal money from crippled deaf people. When he was never truly hurting for money.
Posted on 2/27/23 at 7:14 pm to cajunangelle
One paranoid drug addled psychopath using 2 guns to kill his family isn’t a stretch for me at all. The man lied about even being down there until tapes and car GPS proved him lying. The Netflix doc didn’t do anything for me regarding his guilt to the killings but only solidified my opinion of him (as a non local) how dirty this guy was. He lies about every single thing, it’s just who he is. I’d be fine with the death penalty if it was on the table but b/c this is now simply a legal game to the attorneys I think he will be found not guilty too.
Posted on 2/27/23 at 7:15 pm to REG861
Alex Murdaugh's Brother Testifies in Murdaugh Family Murders Trial
Don't know if this is the FULL testimony-this is all I can find.
Don't know if this is the FULL testimony-this is all I can find.
Posted on 2/27/23 at 7:15 pm to shamrock
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car GPS proved him lying
Untrue.
Posted on 2/27/23 at 7:41 pm to KosmoCramer
FFS just post your opinion like everybody else and move on to the next subject of the case and do the same again.
This thread isn't official. People that argue for the sake of arguing are like miserable factory of sadness spell checkers of the thread.
Also: just because someone doesn't cite the exact transcript of the actual court case to post theories or discuss-does not end the world.
We are spitballing. No one knows jack shite of nothin. Some post as if they are Ellick Murdaugh himself.
We are not a live Court TV of experts blogging.
Chill out this isn't court.
This thread isn't official. People that argue for the sake of arguing are like miserable factory of sadness spell checkers of the thread.
Also: just because someone doesn't cite the exact transcript of the actual court case to post theories or discuss-does not end the world.
We are spitballing. No one knows jack shite of nothin. Some post as if they are Ellick Murdaugh himself.
We are not a live Court TV of experts blogging. Chill out this isn't court.
Posted on 2/27/23 at 7:56 pm to TDsngumbo
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Alex Murdaugh appears to be one fricked go individual, no doubt about that. But did he murder his wife and kids? It looks that way but I, as a casual observer, haven’t seen enough to 100% convince me. I am, however, leaning towards him being involved just not directly as the person who pulled the trigger. I wouldn’t be surprised with a not guilty verdict.
That’s what I’m thinking.
As a parent, I just cannnot wrap my head around a man meticulously planning the murder of his wife and youngest son; then looks his son in the eye and literally blows his brains out.
Posted on 2/27/23 at 7:56 pm to cajunangelle
If AM preplanned this, he did a poor job of it. Why plan to kill your wife and kids and do it when you're the only one at the scene and can be proven that you were there?
Posted on 2/27/23 at 8:03 pm to real turf fan
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