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re: Invasive pythons have nearly eradicated small mammals in the Florida Keys

Posted on 2/3/25 at 8:50 am to
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 2/3/25 at 8:50 am to
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Yeah, size matters for that determination. Most of the ones overrunning Florida are Burmese pythons.



The crazy thing is that if you REALLY want a certain type of snake, you can usually get a dwarf version that is a lot smaller than the regular types. So people are choosing to get the ones that get huge, then let them go when they can't handle it.

Hog Island Boas for example are basically just a Boa Constrictor, but they only get 4-ish maybe up to 6 feet long. They and other dwarf breeds like them generally live on small islands that stunt their size in the wild. The Hog Islands specifically have no predators on the island so they are super docile... you can just go pick one up off a tree and it probably won't try to bite you.
This post was edited on 2/3/25 at 8:50 am
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
5570 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 8:52 am to
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The python is quickly becoming a real issue in the Glades however. If they allow actual hunting and killing of them they might slow down the invasion.



It seems like between hiring professional hunters, bounties for non-professional hunters, and the tylenol thing, you'd be able to put a dent into it.

We had someone lose/let loose a bunch of ball pythons in St Aug last year. They were crawling around some neighborhood. But it gets too cold up here for them and their larger cousins.
Posted by TigrrrDad
Member since Oct 2016
7630 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 10:34 am to
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Never understood either, just like those freaks who have tarantulas as pets. It’s a sign of a serial killer


It’s funny how people justify their fears - like the guys who are afraid of snakes and spiders justify it by saying those who aren’t afraid are “freaks” or are “weird”. Maybe we’re just not pussies.
This post was edited on 2/3/25 at 10:43 am
Posted by geauxtigers87
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2011
26126 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 10:35 am to
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Guam could be of assistance on this since they have been using carrion bait with Tylenol to repress their brown tree snake problem. Pythons aren't carrion eaters though, they hunt live prey.


i've been there and those snakes literally fall on you from trees. it sucks
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
83955 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 10:37 am to
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Maybe we’re just not pussies.


you're definitely not a pussy, I guess I am, that snake handling is not for me
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
69389 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 10:37 am to
It's pretty weird to have an animal that is totally non-interactive with humans or domesticated in any sense at all as a pet. Zoo animal, laboratory, whatever, yea sure. A snake or a spider as a pet? Yea dude, it's weird.
Posted by TigrrrDad
Member since Oct 2016
7630 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 10:38 am to
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It seems like between hiring professional hunters, bounties for non-professional hunters, and the tylenol thing, you'd be able to put a dent into it.


Something like the tylenol thing could work, but then aren’t you killing native species as well?

As far as hunting them, the majority of “hunters” are driving up and down public roads searching with spotlights, whereas the real thriving populations are in areas only accessible by boat. You’ll never have enough serious hunters to put a dent in it.
Posted by TigrrrDad
Member since Oct 2016
7630 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 10:42 am to
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Get around snake freaks and they talk baby talk to snakes like it’s a kitten or a puppy.


I’ve been around a lot of other snake people in my lifetime, and I’ve never met one who baby talks to their snakes.
Posted by LB84
Member since May 2016
4103 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 10:42 am to
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frick those snakes, and frick the dorks that buy them as pets and release them.


Anyone who keeps snakes or spiders as pets are messed up in the head.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
33703 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 10:45 am to
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Something like the tylenol thing could work, but then aren’t you killing native species as well?


If you could plant the Tylenol on rodents that are too big for native species to hunt then maybe that works.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Bayou Chico
Member since Feb 2009
54977 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 10:54 am to
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As far as hunting them, the majority of “hunters” are driving up and down public roads searching with spotlights, whereas the real thriving populations are in areas only accessible by boat. You’ll never have enough serious hunters to put a dent in it.




Especially when there are 50-100 eggs being laid per year per female.

My cousin works at the FWC, he used to deal with invasive species, now he is over all crocodilian management in the state. He doesn't seem very hopeful at all that the python problem will ever be solved.

They do have a method where they catch and put trackers on females so they can locate the nests. But still, the numbers are so out of control, its hard to imagine that it will be fixed anytime remotely soon.


And while pythons are the biggest problem, there are plenty more, like nile monitors, and tegus that are exploding in numbers in south Florida.

Nile Monitor



Tegu

This post was edited on 2/3/25 at 11:03 am
Posted by LSUGrad9295
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2007
35473 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 11:01 am to
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Guam could be of assistance on this since they have been using carrion bait with Tylenol to repress their brown tree snake problem.


quote:

i've been there and those snakes literally fall on you from trees. it sucks


Trip to Guam for me anytime soon?


Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
40897 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 11:02 am to
frick small mammals.
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
19949 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 11:06 am to
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frick small mammals.

Posted by LSUA 75
Colfax,La.
Member since Jan 2019
4362 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 11:11 am to
I don’t know why anyone would want a snake or lizard as a pet.They’re fine at a zoo but in my house,frick no.

I hope those pythons don’t mutate to tolerate cold weather and make it to Louisiana.Armadillos seemed to have done that and are moving north.
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
9863 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 12:39 pm to
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So people are choosing to get the ones that get huge, then let them go when they can't handle it.



because they think it will be cool to brag about having a 17' Python.
until they realize that having a snake big enough to literally eat you is not as easy as it sounds.
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
9863 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 12:42 pm to
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Never understood either, just like those freaks who have tarantulas as pets. It’s a sign of a serial killer


quote:

t’s funny how people justify their fears - like the guys who are afraid of snakes and spiders justify it by saying those who aren’t afraid are “freaks” or are “weird”. Maybe we’re just not pussies.



guess I'm a freak.
I have 2 snakes, a tarantula and a scorpion.

pythons will top out at under 5' (with a very extremely rare possibility of maybe 6').

according to google neither the tarantula nor the scorpion are lethal. they are allegedly no worse than a wasp sting (both pain and venom toxicity).
but I'm not going to test that one just in case.
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
9863 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 12:43 pm to
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It's pretty weird to have an animal that is totally non-interactive with humans



Ragnar hangs out on my desk quite often.

Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
66789 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 12:50 pm to
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As far as hunting them, the majority of “hunters” are driving up and down public roads searching with spotlights, whereas the real thriving populations are in areas only accessible by boat. You’ll never have enough serious hunters to put a dent in it.


The snake hunters are not interested in getting rid of them



Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
18472 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 1:32 pm to
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Never was a problem till Hurricane Andrew hit in 1992.


While that didn't help, there have been confirmed sightings of pythons in south Florida since the late 70's.

In fact, there were python sightings as early as the 30's. It is believed they were escaped circus snakes.
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