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re: Interesting analysis - Jesus was crucified on a Wednesday and was resurrected on Saturday
Posted on 4/5/26 at 8:02 pm to Cowboyfan89
Posted on 4/5/26 at 8:02 pm to Cowboyfan89
quote:
You think a biblical scholar doesn't understand things necessary to interpreting the Bible better than you?
Yes
Go actually read the Bible yourself - look at what I wrote - read the verses
It’s right in our faces
Posted on 4/5/26 at 8:03 pm to BigTx
Many don’t know this, but Easter is not tied to a specific date on the calendar. It’s derived from Passover which is based on the lunar phases. In effect, the first night of the full moon, after the Spring equinox. Easter being the first Sunday after that full moon.
The preceding Friday has been the prevailing view for centuries.
The preceding Friday has been the prevailing view for centuries.
Posted on 4/5/26 at 8:12 pm to Ramblin Wreck
Sorry, but you've posted this on the holy weekend when all the intellectuals and religious scholars are gorging themselves on crawfish and frozen king cake.
Try again after the reinstatement/resurrection has occurred.
Try again after the reinstatement/resurrection has occurred.
Posted on 4/5/26 at 8:17 pm to Ramblin Wreck
Crucifixion Wednesday?
I recommend reading this article from 1999 by Jimmy Akin
I recommend reading this article from 1999 by Jimmy Akin
This post was edited on 4/5/26 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 4/5/26 at 8:31 pm to theunknownknight
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Go actually read the Bible yourself - look at what I wrote - read the verses
I mean, I most certainly will because I'm genuinely curious to see if theres any real indication within the Gospels or Acts. But so far the only time frame I've seen for his arrival was 5 days before Passover in John. That gives no indication of what day of the week that would have been.
All I know is that every attempt I've ever seen to correlate the Jewish calendar to the Gregorian calendar between the years that Jesus's ministry is assumed to have occurred only produces one year (AD 34) with Passover landing on a Thursday.
The two most popular years (30 and 33) both presumably had Passover occur on a Friday.
Posted on 4/5/26 at 8:41 pm to icecreamsnowball
Thanks, I’ll read your link. BTW - I don’t necessarily accept the Wednesday reasoning as correct, I did find it plausible and was curious what types of discussion it would create on here, with exception of the trolls and nonsense replies.
Posted on 4/5/26 at 8:46 pm to Cowboyfan89
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I mean, I most certainly will because I'm genuinely curious to see if theres any real indication within the Gospels or Acts. But so far the only time frame I've seen for his arrival was 5 days before Passover in John. That gives no indication of what day of the week that would have been.
All I know is that every attempt I've ever seen to correlate the Jewish calendar to the Gregorian calendar between the years that Jesus's ministry is assumed to have occurred only produces one year (AD 34) with Passover landing on a Thursday.
The two most popular years (30 and 33) both presumably had Passover occur on a Friday.
That's because most of the research we read is from NT scholars and not Hebrew Bible scholars:
Sunday - Nisan 10
- Exodus 12:3 - The lamb is chosen and taken into the home for four days of inspection.
- The Triumphal Entry. Jesus enters Jerusalem, presenting Himself as the Lamb of God.
Monday - Nisan 11
- Exodus 12:5 - The lamb must be without blemish. Inspection continues.
- Cleansing of the Temple. Jesus' authority is questioned by religious leaders.
Tuesday - Nisan 12
- Lamb Inspection Continues
- Great Debates in the Temple. Jesus answers the Sadducees and Pharisees perfectly.
Wednesday- Nisan 13
- Nisan 13 was the day for removing all leaven (sin) from the house.
- Judas bargains to betray Jesus and leaves the disciples (the leaven is removed). Preparation for the Passover meal begins.
- This night is also the "Night of Watching" - Exodus 12:42 - where the people watched anxiously for the Salvation of the Lord - this was when Jesus prayed in Gethsemane and the Disciples failed to watch and fell asleep.
Thursday- Nisan 14: Passover.
- The lamb is slaughtered
- Jesus is Crucified and goes in the Tomb that night (NIGHT 1)
Friday - Nisan 15 - First day of Unleavened Bread
- Considered a High Sabbath according to Leviticus 23. The day the Nation prayed from "life to come from death in the ground" - planted seeds to sprout
- Jesus is in the Tomb (DAY 1, NIGHT 2)
Saturday- Nisan 16
- Shabbat - a weekly Festival - the Sabbath
- Jesus is in the Tomb (DAY 2, NIGHT 3)
Sunday - Nisan 17
- The Feast of First Fruits, always the following Sunday - the Jewish Festival celebrating life from the ground
- Jesus rises again as the First Fruits (DAY 3)
1 Corinthians 15:20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
Guess what happens 7 weeks after the passover in Exodus? God gave the Law on Sinai in "thunderings and lightnings" - in Hebrew literally "tongues of fire" followed by 3000 people being killed for worshiping the Golden Calf.
Guess what happens 7 weeks after the Crucifixion? Pentencost - another festival - where the Holy Spirit shows up in Tongues of fire and 3000 people are saved.
This post was edited on 4/5/26 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 4/6/26 at 5:13 am to theunknownknight
quote:
Sunday - Nisan 10
- Exodus 12:3 - The lamb is chosen and taken into the home for four days of inspection.
- The Triumphal Entry. Jesus enters Jerusalem, presenting Himself as the Lamb of God.
You still haven't actually proven how anything indicates that these events would have fallen on what we currently know as Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, etc.
It appears that you're using what we currently recognize as "Palm Sunday", the entry into Jerusalem, as the basis for your claim, when theres nothing to suggest this to be the case. The closest we get is Jesus entry occurring 5 days before Passover, which would have been Nissan 10. But no indication is given that this would be the same day that we now call Sunday.
You also appear to be basing "3 days" on 24 hour days. Didn't the Jews of that time use "inclusive reckoning"? If so, then Friday would have had to be "Day 1" in order for Sunday to be "Day 3".
This post was edited on 4/6/26 at 5:36 am
Posted on 4/6/26 at 5:40 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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Book of Enoch talks about giants mating with humans.
Eh…. they were just referring to my ancient ancestors and our big pee-pee’s
Posted on 4/6/26 at 6:18 am to BigTx
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The Catholics decided Friday was the day he died, and they were wrong. Look up Council of Nicea and you’ll see where it all happened.
No they didn’t.
Posted on 4/6/26 at 6:34 am to Ramblin Wreck
He died on the Jewish Sabbath so It's a different date every year and can fall on any day of the week in a given year.
Posted on 4/6/26 at 8:30 am to Cowboyfan89
quote:
You also appear to be basing "3 days" on 24 hour days. Didn't the Jews of that time use "inclusive reckoning"? If so, then Friday would have had to be "Day 1" in order for Sunday to be "Day 3".
This is another fundamental misunderstanding of the Jewish calendar and how it works based upon New Testament scholars who don’t understand what they’re looking at
Many scholars will say Jesus was in the tomb for 39 hours, but that is NOT what scripture says.
3 DAYS
3 NIGHTS
if it was Friday NIGHT, SAT DAY, SAT NIGHT, and SUN DAY
or (if we look at it from the Jewish inversion perspective) SAT DAY, SAT NIGHT, SUN DAY, SUN NIGHT
you still have the same issue - you are missing the third day AND night
Look, this isn’t complicated, the Bible lays out the rules explicitly. Most people never took the time to actually read and understand them, as evidenced by this thread.
And no, I am not basing this off of Palm Sunday specifically. I was just presenting a coherent chronological order.
I am starting from taking Jesus’ words seriously in Matthew 12:40. He said three days and three nights. I’m taking that at face value and not inserting my own odd calculations to confirm my bias.
Then I am looking at what the Bible ACTUALLY says about the “next day” being the Sabbath. It is blatantly clear, that day is not required to be Saturday because of the Festivals exception stated explicitly in Leviticus 23.
Suddenly, now, the possibility Jesus meant what he said can be true.
THEN, I go from Palm Sunday forward and there are only 4 days and nights mentioned in the Gospels before the crucifixion, not 5. Traditionally, this is explained away as the “silent day” of the passion week (I’ve even heard sermons based on this), which is stupid. Maybe, just maybe, there is no need to make this up.
THEN, going back and looking, again at the Bible itself, we can see there are other days they were commanded to observe - like lamb selection, which would have fallen on Palm Sunday…
And suddenly, everything clicks and fits together perfectly.
This post was edited on 4/6/26 at 11:19 am
Posted on 4/6/26 at 12:28 pm to theunknownknight
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This is another fundamental misunderstanding of the Jewish calendar and how it works based upon New Testament scholars who don’t understand what they’re looking at
You keep arguing that the issue is with how the scholars interpret it, but seems to me the issue is your interpretation and lack of consideration to anything outside of the Bible, like historic norms. You can take it literally all you want--the non-biblical evidence that inclusive reckoning was the norm of the time is strong. So the reason biblical scholars don't take his words literally in this case is because it didn't mean 3, 24 hour days.
quote:
And no, I am not basing this off of Palm Sunday specifically. I was just presenting a coherent chronological order.
So by your own admission, Nissan 10 doesnt have to align with Palm Sunday; you just did it because of the literal interpretation of Matthew 12:40.
The minute you consider that maybe it wasn't meant literally, or that the way they kept time was not the same way we do, that opens the possibility that the crucifixion occurred on what we would know as Friday.
In the end, nobody knows for sure, and it doesnt really matter. The Church could have easily decided to treat Easter the same way Christmas is treated--i.e., moving based on where a specific date/event falls. The whole "controversy" (if it even is one) comes from the setting of it on a particular day of the week that wasn't even used by the Jews at the time. The "7th day" was always the sabbath for them. April 7th, 2026 is a Tuesday, i.e., not a Sabbath (which we would equate to "Saturday" in current times).
Nisan 15 (according to the sources I've seen) fell on April 1/2, 2026 (Wednesday/Thursday).
Posted on 4/6/26 at 12:51 pm to Cowboyfan89
Dude, did you even read my post or are you just being argumentative for the sake of it?
I made it simple enough for a child to understand. The irony is you are arguing biblical interpretation against a position built solely on biblical interpretation with stances not built on biblical interpretation and then turning around and questioning my biblical interpretation without even bothering to read the Bible
I made it simple enough for a child to understand. The irony is you are arguing biblical interpretation against a position built solely on biblical interpretation with stances not built on biblical interpretation and then turning around and questioning my biblical interpretation without even bothering to read the Bible
This post was edited on 4/6/26 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 4/6/26 at 4:01 pm to theunknownknight
quote:
Dude, did you even read my post
I did.
quote:
The irony is
that you seem to think we are talking about The Lord of the Rings where the author controls the entire environment and nothing outside of the book impacts the story.
The Bible is a record of real events, taking place at some point in history. That means that there are things that may not have been recorded in the book that impact how the book is understood and interpreted. I doubt anyone that wrote those books thought people would be debating the meaning of it 2000 years later without using spoken word and by sending written messages over invisible signals.
So naturally, there are details that they assumed their audience would understand that didn't require explanation. A prime example of that is Jesus telling people "if someone makes you go a mile, go with him two". Jews would have understood what that meant in that time. How many non-Jewish people know what that means today? Someone made a comment in a discussion about The Chosen in the M/TV Board that most people today probably wouldn't understand how reviled the tax collectors like Matthew were back then, but that's not really explained.
It wasn't written in such a way that every verse can stand on its own without some understanding of the culture at the time.
Maybe we can agree to disagree on that, I don't know.
Posted on 4/6/26 at 10:00 pm to BigTx
quote:This is not a fair representation. The Church of Rome had not broken with the early churches at this point, (see the Great Schism of 1054) so they are not entirely responsible for working to alienate the actual Passover date from the celebration of the Resurrection. It is more accurate to state that the early churches jointly did this through the first council.
The Catholics decided Friday was the day he died, and they were wrong. Look up Council of Nicea and you’ll see where it all happened.
But it is fair to say that the date which we use may not be accurate.
It is also fair to state that many dates of most liturgical calendars are pretty arbitrary.
Posted on 4/6/26 at 10:02 pm to UKWildcats
quote:Actually, that is also not true.
that was actually Saturnalia.
Look up the dates and history of that festival over time. Not December 25.
But your larger point is a very good one.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 5:20 am to Rabby
quote:
This is not a fair representation. The Church of Rome had not broken with the early churches at this point, (see the Great Schism of 1054) so they are not entirely responsible for working to alienate the actual Passover date from the celebration of the Resurrection. It is more accurate to state that the early churches jointly did this through the first council.
I appreciate you presenting a legitimate response. I make these statements because I view all of those that participated in the council as part of the Catholic Church or the Roman church, which I view as one.
As the council sought a single date to celebrate Easter, this statement was recorded:
quote:
Our Saviour left us only one festal day of our redemption, that is to say, of his holy passion, and he desired only one Catholic Church.
That is why I view the whole council as Catholic and none of the artifacts that I've read have stated otherwise. Nevertheless, I will do more research into the Great Schism of 1054 to better understand your point.
This post was edited on 4/7/26 at 5:29 am
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