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re: Indiana to develop "In-Pavement Charging Solution" for EVs
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:30 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:30 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
Yeah that should really work well up here in the frozen tundra of the upper midwest, these clowns can't keep roads from breaking apart and heaving, let's throw some chargers in there.
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Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:38 am to SportsGuyNOLA
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Sounds like an outrageous waste of taxpayer money for something that will never work
I agree.
If there is no practical ROI, it shouldn't be done at all. This should be left to private industries willing to put its own money up.
I always thought a different idea like this one might have a reasonable ROI. There was discussion of making residential roadways part of electrical generation feeding the grid. That always seemed to make more sense to me.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:41 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
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I think they believe the people that work these roads are model employees
I loathe road commissioners and such nearly as much as I do AT&T.
Example:
There's a road near me that sees a good bit of traffic. That road has turned to shite over the past few years because it can't handle the amount of traffic on it. The kicker is that the county and state are actually required by law to keep that road in good, working order because it is a major evacuation route for the nuclear power plant.
Yet, all that road gets is some cold patch thrown in the potholes two or three times a year. Never fear, though, Governor Maw Maw has come to the rescue by obtaining a $500,000 federal grant to help repair said road. A half million dollars! Woohoo!
Nevermind that we already send her and her cronies piles of money to maintain the fricking roads, that fact doesn't matter. Nevermind that they are bound by law to keep that road up, that fact doesn't matter. Nevermind that they continue to fail to do their jobs, that fact doesn't matter. Maw Maw got a piss ant grant that will save the day! A half mill.....you've got to be shitting me.
And now we have three jackasses running for road commissioner of our district promising they'll do the same shite the last a-hole promised he would do but didn't. That last fricker felt he did such a good job that he banked enough good will to go ahead look to get a better public office at the state level. It is a neverending cycle of shite.
This post was edited on 6/27/22 at 10:42 am
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:41 am to Warfarer
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Imagine driving through the state without taking away your range.
You used the right word when you said "Imagine". I mean, why not imagine something even better? Why not make the hoods of vehicles magically charge the vehicle quickly enough to make range a non issue.
Prove your concept. Then we can talk about whether it makes sense.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:43 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
Can you imagine the amount of wind and solar farms we'll need to power this thing? 
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:45 am to billjamin
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It's not a new idea. There are several US companies working on it as well. It'll be a while before they can overcome the cost and efficiency loss. But it's definitely technology worth pursuing.
its been a thing in forklifts. Never actually sold or got to see one but the amazons or other heavy electric users have in ground charging systems
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:47 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
Its horribly iinefficient. You'd think that people who's main concern is global warming would be against such energy negative approaches to transportation.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:50 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
If the Energy giants would have let Nikola Tesla finish his wireless electricity towers then Electric cars could be using that technology to charge cars anywhere!
If He could create this back in 1900 why can't we today?
If He could create this back in 1900 why can't we today?
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:51 am to SportsGuyNOLA
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Sounds like an outrageous waste of taxpayer money for something that will never work
yep, rain and snow, dirty roads, then a pothole or crack in roadway breaks it, and thats not even talking about waiting for lazy arse workers to go out and test and repair sections that dont work
its a fairytale that only works as long as you have unicorn farts to power it
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:52 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
This is research. It’s pushing the boundaries of science and attempting to advance our knowledge and abilities. I am all for funding this.
Also, where is the electricity coming from? The road obviously.
Eta
I’m not shocked most people on here immediately shite on this attempt. It’s research. Of course it’s expensive as shite.
Also, where is the electricity coming from? The road obviously.
Eta
I’m not shocked most people on here immediately shite on this attempt. It’s research. Of course it’s expensive as shite.
This post was edited on 6/27/22 at 10:54 am
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:57 am to kywildcatfanone
quote:I must have missed the part where it's going to be free. The one in Sweden tracks use for each vehicle.
Charging shouldn't be free anywhere.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:01 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
Yes, it's impractical now, like most bleeding edge technology. Eventually it will be commonplace and you have to start somewhere.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:04 am to Oilfieldbiology
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I’m not shocked most people on here immediately shite on this attempt. It’s research. Of course it’s expensive as shite.
I don't think the research is the issue, it's the practicality even if it's realized. Why not just make the above-ground direct chargers better and more widely available? Would also help with fuel station business economy.
Another point that was brought up, what happens when the ground gets snow, ice, mud, and further decreases the efficiency?
This post was edited on 6/27/22 at 11:05 am
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:06 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
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I don't think the research is the issue, it's the practicality even if it's realized.
What do you think they are researching lol
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:09 am to canyon
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Sounds good in a presentation but how are the charging pads going to be powered? Are they gonna erect several acres of solar panels to provide the actual electricity necessary to charge the TVs? Maybe a wind farm of about 500 acres would do?
This is from a company that installed them in Tel Aviv
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How does it work?
Wireless electric road technology is based on magnetic resonance induction, with copper coils installed under the roadway. The coils transfer energy to a receiver that can be mounted under any kind of electric vehicle, such as trucks, vans, buses and cars. Wireless charging can be installed absolutely anywhere as it does not have the same limitations as conductive (plug-in) charging. The technology can be deployed along public roads, tollways, motorways, bus routes, taxi lanes, in parking lots, and at commercial depot centers. This enables frequent ‘top-up’ or opportunity charging throughout fleet operational hours—typically during the day—and converts idle or ‘dead’ time into charging opportunities. This technology reduces the need for large batteries and extensive grid connection capacity, flattening the electrical demand curve, all of which significantly lowers costs and enables better management of transport energy.
So it sounds like it would put less strain on a grid then your typical charging stations (which is a good thing IMO, since that is a major concern with EV).
Electereon FAQ link
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:11 am to kywildcatfanone
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kywildcatfanone
quote:Never fails
Charging shouldn't be free anywhere.
Do you normally agree that business should NOT be allowed to charge whatever they want for services? Seems odd that you're arguing for forcing a business to charge a price you deem acceptable, not very American of you if you're being honest with yourself.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:13 am to Oilfieldbiology
quote:Right
This is research. It’s pushing the boundaries of science and attempting to advance our knowledge and abilities. I am all for funding this.
The replies to the OP are hilarious, like the dudes researching this just never thought of those issues.
quote:We don't like new technology around these parts!
I’m not shocked most people on here immediately shite on this attempt. It’s research. Of course it’s expensive as shite.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:14 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
quote:That is why they're researching, to determine if one is a better option than the other. What's the issue?
I don't think the research is the issue, it's the practicality even if it's realized. Why not just make the above-ground direct chargers better and more widely available?
quote:I imagine that'll be part of the research
Another point that was brought up, what happens when the ground gets snow, ice, mud, and further decreases the efficiency?
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:15 am to JohnnyKilroy
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What do you think they are researching lol
Even if they say it's efficient in this research, the complexity of various state/local departments ability to manage it will be largely undervalued.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:18 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
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Even if they say it's efficient in this research, the complexity of various state/local departments ability to manage it will be largely undervalued.
Maybe a private company installing infrastructure and creating a revenue stream associated with road use that could then be managed by the company rather than an inept government has the opportunity for something better than we have now.
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