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Posted on 10/15/21 at 3:36 pm to MSG
Damn
Posted on 10/15/21 at 3:37 pm to Raz
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just nitrogen
Just nitrogen kills just as good as phosgene.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 3:38 pm to heatom2
Probably kills more people than anything. Especially in vessel entries.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 3:39 pm to MSG
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It was nitrogen from a vessel entry
Damn. This is why vessel entries, even minor ones, are so critical. A gas meter and hole watch could have saved some lives and there’s no excuse
Posted on 10/15/21 at 3:43 pm to MSG
When you see pairs of people in an incident like that it’s very often someone sees their coworker go down and the immediate instinct is to go in to save them. Only to be overcome by the same conditions.
Happened at shintec about a decade ago.
Happened at shintec about a decade ago.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 3:48 pm to fr33manator
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When you see pairs of people in an incident like that it’s very often someone sees their coworker go down and the immediate instinct is to go in to save them. Only to be overcome by the same conditions.
The % of deaths by would be rescuers is higher than that of entrants.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 3:49 pm to fr33manator
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It was nitrogen from a vessel entry
Damn. This is why vessel entries, even minor ones, are so critical. A gas meter and hole watch could have saved some lives and there’s no excuse
Kill 4 yard workers going into a void on a carrier when I was in USN.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 3:49 pm to fr33manator
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Happened at shintec about a decade ago.
One worker also died entering a vessel (PVC rector) at Westlake Geismar a year or two ago.
Confined spaces are serious business.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 3:57 pm to MSG
Did they not have a confined space entry attendant with a meter? This is totally avoidable. Some heads will roll over this as it should be!!
Posted on 10/15/21 at 3:58 pm to MSG
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It was nitrogen from a vessel entry
How do you not have a monitor set up for that? That's very very basic stuff for confined space entry
Posted on 10/15/21 at 4:02 pm to fr33manator
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A gas meter and hole watch could have saved some lives and there’s no excuse
This is the first thing that came to mind when I heard it was from a confined space entry. I wonder if they didn’t follow protocol before entry
Posted on 10/15/21 at 4:03 pm to MSG
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Probably kills more people than anything. Especially in vessel entries.
Yep. Nitrogen, steam & condensate kill & injure more people than any other chemicals in the chemical industry.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 4:04 pm to upgrayedd
I used to harp on having hard barriers for vessels that had access points leading to confined spaces. You’ll see a lot of caution tape used to cover them that gets stretched and sags and tears and just neglected to properly put back on.
But no one wants to pony up the funds until something like this happens
But no one wants to pony up the funds until something like this happens
Posted on 10/15/21 at 4:05 pm to Miketheseventh
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This is the first thing that came to mind when I heard it was from a confined space entry. I wonder if they didn’t follow protocol before entry
If you're doing a vessel purge, there should be a continuous monitoring already in place.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 4:09 pm to Master Guilbeau
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Or phosgene. Hated working anywhere near those process units.
I got in to that shite in Rubicon. Wasn't fun.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 4:10 pm to upgrayedd
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How do you not have a monitor set up for that? That's very very basic stuff for confined space entry
I'm sure they had a meter and a hole watch. That doesn't mean things can't go wrong. A lot of people don't really understand what they're dealing with, or why. For example, I've seen hole watches on more than one occasion sitting on a bucket outside of the manway where workers are inside the confined space working, and the hole watch has the meter in their pocket.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 4:11 pm to upgrayedd
It was not a confined space entry!
It was not phosgene.
It was 2 contractors working on a PSV
It was not phosgene.
It was 2 contractors working on a PSV
Posted on 10/15/21 at 4:11 pm to Raz
True and nitrogen exposure on CS with buddy going to help someone down happens WAY too often.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 4:12 pm to fr33manator
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Damn. This is why vessel entries, even minor ones, are so critical. A gas meter and hole watch could have saved some lives and there’s no excuse
A sniff test had to happen, and a hole watch had to be in place. Otherwise, those 2 went in against the rules. And that is a big no no. It’s like a pass play in football, 3 possible outcomes, and 2 are bad. You either finish the job and get away with it, or you get caught and get fired, or this, someone dies. Sad.
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