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re: In the modern era is a doctor nothing more than a gatekeeper for medication?

Posted on 6/13/19 at 5:33 pm to
Posted by Scoop
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Posted on 6/13/19 at 5:33 pm to
The functions of a GP (family doctor) are now mainly handled by Nurse Practitioners practicing under a GP.

The routine stuff that comes through a family doctor’s office can be handled that way.

Anything potentially serious is gonna be referred to a specialist out of the GP’s office.



Posted by White Roach
Member since Apr 2009
9666 posts
Posted on 6/13/19 at 6:14 pm to
No, doctors aren't just medication gatekeepers. But, like any profession, some are better than others. That fact is compounded by the nature of medicine. You may think you have a firm grasp on their diagnostic methods, but the truth is that unless you went to med school, you probably don't have a clue. So, as a result, you're obligated to take a leap of faith and (in most cases) defer to their opinion. That's not to say you won't have some befuddling moments ...

I had a high PSA that prompted a digital exam. The urologist found a nodule and ordered a biopsy. The morning of the biopsy my blood pressure was though the roof (can you blame me?) and upon further examination, I was in A-Fib. So the biopsy got scrapped until I got cleared by cardiology.

Eleven days later, I meet with a cardiologist. Never laid a hand on me. Cleared me for surgery and ordered an EKG almost as an afterthought. Still in A-Fib ...

That was May 23rd. Apparently, Cardiology and Urology don't communicate well and the biopsy never got rescheduled. I'm now spending a month in FL and feel much better!
Posted by FAP SAM
Member since Sep 2014
3263 posts
Posted on 6/13/19 at 7:03 pm to
Just checking back on this thread after work and wanted to add this to my previous comment:

It is usually a good idea to approach treatment in a stepwise fashion. If your doc would've jumped straight to CT scans and surgery you'd be here bitching about how doctors only want to perform pricey procedures and eschew simpler treatment that they dont make money from.

Then if your allergies were acting up and a simple Claritin fixed your issues you'd be contemplating a malpractice lawsuit.

I will say, however, that a good doc should let you in on his plan of a stepwise approach. And a great doc would give you options so that you have some ownership of the treatment plan and put both of you on the same page

Posted by WildManGoose
Member since Nov 2005
4613 posts
Posted on 6/13/19 at 7:56 pm to
That sucks. Sorry you're not getting the care you deserve. I've heard of other people with the same problem. I think they were eventually diagnosed with something called FDIS. Maybe ask your GP about that?
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
78001 posts
Posted on 6/13/19 at 7:58 pm to
Then don’t go to the doctor.

You clearly don’t need them.

Treat yourself.
Posted by Cold Drink
Member since Mar 2016
3482 posts
Posted on 6/13/19 at 8:30 pm to
Yes and no. First, no amount of web md and mommy forum reading will make you understand your illness better than even the dumbest Caribbean medical school grad.

However, you are correct in the sense that there’s no reason to need a permission slip from a doctor for most of what you currently have to go to the doctor for.

For example, birth control should be sold next to the gum and chap stick by the cash registers as far as I’m concerned.
Posted by Zilla
Member since Jul 2005
10655 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 11:46 pm to
BULLDOG, do you use gaviscon advance from Europe?
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 7/21/19 at 5:35 am to
quote:

You may think you're educating them on things, but you actually aren't.




Calling bullshite on this stupidity.

I was bitten by bed bugs in a hotel and had 45-50 large welts on my arms. I knew EXACTLY what it was because I had caught two of them in the room the morning before. The doctor told me it was scabies. I explained how it was clearly not scabies (and didn't even resemble scabies), and then she told me that scabies and bed bugs were the same thing (They aren't. Scabies are invisible mites that burrow under your skin and lay eggs causing a rash. Bed bugs are very visible little blood suckers like ticks that leave welts when they bite). I laughed at her.

I had flown in on a Friday evening and had gone to a doc-in-a-box on that Saturday morning.

Not all doctors are well informed doctors. Some of them are legitimate dumbasses.
This post was edited on 7/21/19 at 5:49 am
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
70469 posts
Posted on 7/21/19 at 5:52 am to
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Insurance company is the gatekeeper.

Doctors are pawns. Expensive labor when Medicare or insurance are the driving forces.

Administrative costs in medicine have skyrocketed since 1980. Electronic records, computers, documentation, coding, etc. revenue associated with these costs go mostly to admin and peripheral staff.

Physician salaries in real dollars have not really changes in 40 years. I’ve been a doctor since 1990.
Costs to patients have exploded. Payments to physicians have not kept up with inflation.

They have deprofessionalized medicine through the payment scheme. Physicians have to set up their practice to focus totally on the procedures that are billed and collected at the highest rate or sell their services to a consolidator so they are essentially an employee.



This is spot on. My FIL has been practicing since 1980 and says same thing. My wife finishes residency in 2 years, we will face this first hand.
Posted by Puffoluffagus
Savannah, GA
Member since Feb 2009
6504 posts
Posted on 7/21/19 at 6:53 am to
Frankly you have a a constellation of symptoms that encompasses a wide range of potential etiologies. (Reflux/LPR, aural fullness, tinnitus).

It's natural to want to find a diagnosis that you can attribute all of the symptoms to and package it in a neat a box. And if LPR is that box then great, but I would caution being so driven to do that and consider that you may very well have 3 separate diagnoses, and that treatment of these may either be different or may be largely ineffective(i.e. tinnitus).

If you're truly interested in determining if you have true LPR(if you aren't satisfied with lifestyle modifications/PPI). You may want to consider seeing a laryngologist at an academic center who can get you set up to perform impendance testing and see if you are actually having non acidic reflux that is contributing to your problem.
Posted by jscrims
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Member since May 2008
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Posted on 7/21/19 at 7:29 am to
I have multiple doctors and my general practitioner is essentially a gate keeper but also an identifier. The thought it you will have a relationship with your doctor where they know your medical history. They can then use that to find the issue bothering you and correct it or send it to someone else. They are essentially the screener to see if there is a big issue and solve the minor ones.

My orthopedic surgeon has done very little prescribing medicine for me. He gave me pain pills after my surgery and an anti-biotic when I had a small infection. The other stuff he did to my leg, I would not be able to google or do on my own.

To answer your question, no because there are lots of different doctors and they do different things. Would you want the plumber doing your electrical?
Posted by LSUfan20005
Member since Sep 2012
9256 posts
Posted on 7/21/19 at 7:47 am to
Most Dr's seem to take the approach "This guy isn't gonna die, so let's prescribe something to get him the frick out."

They seem to have little interest in optimizing health and standard of care just reinforces that. Combine this with an 8min visit and it's a recipe for lackluster general care until someone is in sincere peril.

I had some issues a few years ago and eventually opted for a concierge Dr, one of those specialty Drs that doesn't take insurance. Care and attention were phenomenal; spent plenty of time and actually addressed issues. I'll gladly pay out of pocket for this type of care and save my insurance for emergencies.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27872 posts
Posted on 7/21/19 at 7:47 am to
Been a nurse a while now.

From the days of early HMOs where the ER triage nurse had to call your GP before seeing you. If your GP could see you, they denied your visit and you saw your MD. UNHEARD of today. To now where every call to several GPs is handled by office staff who say “go to the ER”.

Much of it is simple perception. The loss of the hands on physical exam. Tests are relied on today. Bloodwork and radiology of all types. A physical exam is becoming window dressing now.

Also, the push to stop over prescribing antibiotics has been going on for years and still pisses people off. Add to that the tap being turned off for pain meds, and costs all going up? People are pissed.

A good physician will always be a wealth of knowledge, but as mentioned they are becoming tied up by red tape and regulation. It’s to the point now that I question who the hell would put themselves through med school to stop at a GP? Kill yourself for $250,000? That’s not chump change, but considering hours put in? Why? Also family docs are business owners. Some of them probably had ZERO desire to ever do that.

I’m sitting in a free standing ER all day. I can answer your questions. Lol. In between patients and The Open.
Posted by Athos
Member since Sep 2016
11878 posts
Posted on 7/21/19 at 9:46 am to
Negative. I’m sure there are a few... but they don’t last long anymore with all the evaluations they want patients to complete.

And if you really feel this way, find a doctor that’s a DO. My most recent PCP is a DO and he’s the best damn doctor I’ve ever had. Highly skilled and actually has a refine bedside manner. Doesn’t BS you.
Posted by SaltyMcKracker
Member since Sep 2011
2982 posts
Posted on 7/21/19 at 10:34 am to
Just because you don't have the willpower to stop eating doesn't mean a doctor should have to come to your house and make you exercise. Just take your insulin like a good little piggie and be happy we live in a time where you may actually live long enough to see your child graduate middle school.
Posted by kcon70
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2016
2707 posts
Posted on 7/21/19 at 10:50 am to
quote:

You sound like a real whiny little girl.


True statement


Nothing mentioned can’t be relieved with OTC meds. Exception being sinus surgery if indicated by ENT evaluation.
Posted by Xcalibur2017
Member since Apr 2017
660 posts
Posted on 7/21/19 at 10:59 am to
100% gateways to meds. Doctors are quick to send someone to a machine to diagnose Bc 1) they make more money off of it through costs and billing insurance companies and 2.) they can’t diagnose ailments on their own merit. Doctors today learn more on how to justify billing insurance over actually learning how to treat their patients- it’s disgusting.
Posted by wasteland
City of peace
Member since Apr 2011
5923 posts
Posted on 7/21/19 at 11:00 am to
Part of me thinks you need better doctors.


But then again, you come off as an egotistical disrespectful douche. Good luck arguing with your oncologist down the road
Posted by Methuselah
On da Riva
Member since Jan 2005
23350 posts
Posted on 7/21/19 at 11:03 am to
I'm pretty sure the doctors who did my transplant surgery, which I'd be dead without, were more than gatekerpers for medication.
Posted by ctiger69
Member since May 2005
31030 posts
Posted on 7/21/19 at 11:10 am to
They have computer programs that currently can out diagnose the best doctors in the world. It is just a matter of time for computers to take the place of some doctors.
This post was edited on 7/21/19 at 11:25 am
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