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re: In Louisiana, you need twice the minimum wage to afford a 2-bedroom apartment
Posted on 6/27/19 at 10:16 am to Obtuse1
Posted on 6/27/19 at 10:16 am to Obtuse1
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So you either think you are right and thus the change makes no difference or you agree with me a lot of people make under $10 and hour and it would have a large impact on the cost of goods and services. Where do you actually fall on this?
I think most minimum wage workers in the USA are either teens, part time workers or incapable of maintaining permanent long term employment.
Its an entry level wage. If you're at min wage for over 6 months, somethings terribly wrong with you.
Raising the minimum wage to a "living wage" will cause unemployment in those you think you're trying to help.
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Posted on 6/27/19 at 10:16 am to goofball
When I was 18, minimum wage was $2.90 an hour.
I had a 2 bedroom dump, took 16 hours a semester, full time tuition was about $3500 a semester, books were $3-500, and still had money left for some wonderful Milwaukee’s Best.
9 semesters later, I was DONE. Debt free.
But, boy, did we have some shitty hangovers!!!
I had a 2 bedroom dump, took 16 hours a semester, full time tuition was about $3500 a semester, books were $3-500, and still had money left for some wonderful Milwaukee’s Best.
9 semesters later, I was DONE. Debt free.
But, boy, did we have some shitty hangovers!!!
Posted on 6/27/19 at 10:18 am to Aristo
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The adults that make less than that have zero goals and take no responsibility for their own life.
Continually raising the min wage is a losers game. Something needs to be done for these people to develop marketable skills.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 10:20 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Something needs to be done for these people to develop marketable skills.
It's easier to work 10 to 15 hours a week and receive government handouts than it is to work 40 plus hours a week and struggle until you can get where you need to be.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 10:21 am to Tiger Prawn
ME
You are arguing something I am fully aware of and have explained I understand multiple times. The quote you copied is in reply to people arguing that very few people actually make those low wages (which I dispute and have given data for).
My point was IF you believe very few if any people make less than $12 an hour then a move of the minimum wage to $12 an hour would have a very small impact on the prices of goods and services. I don't understand how you can believe this and at the same time take such issue with the move. The bottom line is a LOT of people make less than ~$10/hr and thus there argument is moot anyway.
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If this is the universal case then there should be no backlash for moving the minimum wage to say $11 per hour. That would not impact your business at all.
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That's not how it works.
You are arguing something I am fully aware of and have explained I understand multiple times. The quote you copied is in reply to people arguing that very few people actually make those low wages (which I dispute and have given data for).
My point was IF you believe very few if any people make less than $12 an hour then a move of the minimum wage to $12 an hour would have a very small impact on the prices of goods and services. I don't understand how you can believe this and at the same time take such issue with the move. The bottom line is a LOT of people make less than ~$10/hr and thus there argument is moot anyway.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 10:23 am to Obtuse1
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My point was IF you believe very few if any people make less than $12 an hour then a move of the minimum wage to $12 an hour would have a very small impact on the prices of goods and services
It would put people now making $12/hour to take orders at a counter out of work.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 10:23 am to Bard
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It's not a difficult problem to solve if they can't handle a university.
Go to trade school.
Learn trade.
Graduate.
Get job starting out well above minimum wage.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 10:25 am to Supermoto Tiger
There's so much stupid in this thread I don't even know where to start.
These threads always reaffirm that the average American is financially illiterate.
These threads always reaffirm that the average American is financially illiterate.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 10:26 am to BabyTac
Liberals are the only ones that cry about min wage.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 10:26 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I think most minimum wage workers in the USA are either teens, part time workers or incapable of maintaining permanent long term employment.
I think is not support for anything. I gave the stats for under $10.10 wages at 30% of wage earners from Pew pages back. If you think this is incorrect then cite something besides your feels that supports it.
Keep in mind my argument has NEVER been just people that make exactly minimum wage, I don't understand why you keep relying on that to reply to me. You keep sidestepping my argument, either reply to me head on or argue with someone that is saying something diffeerent than me.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 10:27 am to Peazey
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If they lowered rates they would have lower vacancy rates.
That’s why you find increasing move in incentives being offered, but it’s not as if BR has people moving here to make for a larger market to pull from so that decreasing rates would attract some non existent people to fill the void, and their operational costs are still the same, People have to and will live somewhere. If anything, the opposite is true, and so you have a certain pie that everyone is trying to feed upon, and when you overbuild an area and oversaturate a market you’re going to find that properties are just going to end up dealing with lower occupancy rates as the new norm, and older properties and areas are going to become run down and turn into ghettos as a result. It’s happening all over town. Robbing Peter and paying Paul.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 10:29 am to Obtuse1
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I gave the stats for under $10.10 wages at 30% of wage earners
30% of hourly workers, and it doesn't include wages from tipping, which many of those positions carry.
You're looking at wages, not income.
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The near-minimum are young (just under half are 30 years of age or younger), mostly white (76%, a bit below whites’ 79.2% share of all wage and salary workers), and more likely to be female (54%) than male (46%). Most have low educational levels: 56% have no more than a high-school education, while another 37% have some college but less than a bachelor’s degree. Hispanics, who make up 16.4% of all wage and salary workers, comprise more than a quarter (26.7%) of the near-minimum group.
This post was edited on 6/27/19 at 10:32 am
Posted on 6/27/19 at 10:31 am to Obtuse1
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I would rather work toward a system that allows people to work for what they NEED vs a system that is doomed to continue the cycle of government subsidies. If one prefers the subsidy system OK.
If people aren’t contributing $15/hour of value and you’re forcing their employers to pay them that, you’re still subsidizing them.
The only thing you’re changing is who forks it over. Either way, it comes out of your pocket in the form of higher taxes or higher prices.
This post was edited on 6/27/19 at 10:35 am
Posted on 6/27/19 at 10:32 am to Obtuse1
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I think is not support for anything
It is for Roger because he's old and has failed throughout his life so now he's wise.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 10:34 am to RogerTheShrubber
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It would put people now making $12/hour to take orders at a counter out of work.
So now we have a bunch of people making $12/hr that were previously mythical to you?
If you are talking about a tipping situation I haven't addressed that.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 10:34 am to Deactived
It is if you’re living beyond your means 
Posted on 6/27/19 at 10:35 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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There's so much stupid in this thread I don't even know where to start.
Thank God you're here now!
Posted on 6/27/19 at 10:35 am to goofball
I don't understand why they are comparing minimum wage to a 2 bedroom apartment. Why should you be able to afford a 2 bedroom apartment on minimum wage? Why would you need a 2 bedroom apartment if you're making minimum wage? Doesn't logic suggest that if you're making the lowest wage, you should probably afford the lowest standard of living (a studio, or possibly 1 bedroom apartment)?
Posted on 6/27/19 at 10:36 am to choupiquesushi
You don’t even have to do that. Most of the BR metro area qualifies for USDA loan. Even parts of South BR are within limits.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 10:37 am to Epic Cajun
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I don't understand why they are comparing minimum wage to a 2 bedroom apartment. Why should you be able to afford a 2 bedroom apartment on minimum wage? Why would you need a 2 bedroom apartment if you're making minimum wage? Doesn't logic suggest that if you're making the lowest wage, you should probably afford the lowest standard of living (a studio, or possibly 1 bedroom apartment)?
Because they are an anti min wage advocate. They are saying a family can't survive on min wage.
We can discuss the issue above, I'm just telling you why they used 2 bedroom apartment as the barometer.
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