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In an awkward position (job related)
Posted on 7/22/23 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 7/22/23 at 2:57 pm
I interviewed for a position internally back on June 14. About three weeks ago the hiring manager had me come into her office promptly at 8:45 AM or so when she arrvived, told me I was a top candidate (she was hiring for two of this position), and asked me about training for my current role going forward and how that would look - first of all I thought this was awkward as training for my current role should not be her concern but my current manager's/the CFO/controller/anyone else.
But I guess it's that whole team atmosphere where we are all under the umbrella of Finance so she doesn't want shite to just hit the fan when I leave my role, and some of this may be coming down on her from the CFO himself.
Either way, I am worried about actually being able to perform well in this role (data analysis).. I haven't had to do a lot of extensive stuff.... ever, in Excel and now I will need to know this stuff. Mostly pivot tables (which I can set up), but then making very professional/presentable graphs from the data and throwing them in powerpoints, etc for presentations for the CFO/whoever else.
I've started looking at stuff to train myself prior, and getting kind of psyched out that I won't be able to do it, and that maybe I gave off the impression in the interview that I was better at Excel than I really am. I was, however, honest that I had no SQL or SAS experience, and even said I had not used PowerPoint in forever.
I think even if I was a little more honest on Excel I was probably going to be the choice anyway, because this is a state job and you have no idea just how bad some of the other candidates can truly be - and I'm generally hard on myself.
But now I am hearing from my OLD agency and the hiring manager under Budgets there wants me to apply for a job that closes July 31. A lot of changes have happened at my old agency and people are sort of flocking back as the CFO is better, etc.. I worked very well with this guy before and I know it'd be a breeze under him.
But that puts me in an awkward spot where I am currently at. Already my current boss knew I interviewed because since it was internal I basically felt I owed him that courtery. And I have seen the controller/others under our direct line be a little different toward me since.
Now if I tell this other hiring manager I won't be accepting her offer whenever that may come, then I have to deal with that awkwardness until I get offered from the old agency.
Essentially... do I take the role in which the offer is coming soon for better career opportunity/advancement/challenging myself - or go back to the old agency where I'd be more familiar with that role and really probably not have to learn anything new? I am leaning towards the former...
But I guess it's that whole team atmosphere where we are all under the umbrella of Finance so she doesn't want shite to just hit the fan when I leave my role, and some of this may be coming down on her from the CFO himself.
Either way, I am worried about actually being able to perform well in this role (data analysis).. I haven't had to do a lot of extensive stuff.... ever, in Excel and now I will need to know this stuff. Mostly pivot tables (which I can set up), but then making very professional/presentable graphs from the data and throwing them in powerpoints, etc for presentations for the CFO/whoever else.
I've started looking at stuff to train myself prior, and getting kind of psyched out that I won't be able to do it, and that maybe I gave off the impression in the interview that I was better at Excel than I really am. I was, however, honest that I had no SQL or SAS experience, and even said I had not used PowerPoint in forever.
I think even if I was a little more honest on Excel I was probably going to be the choice anyway, because this is a state job and you have no idea just how bad some of the other candidates can truly be - and I'm generally hard on myself.
But now I am hearing from my OLD agency and the hiring manager under Budgets there wants me to apply for a job that closes July 31. A lot of changes have happened at my old agency and people are sort of flocking back as the CFO is better, etc.. I worked very well with this guy before and I know it'd be a breeze under him.
But that puts me in an awkward spot where I am currently at. Already my current boss knew I interviewed because since it was internal I basically felt I owed him that courtery. And I have seen the controller/others under our direct line be a little different toward me since.
Now if I tell this other hiring manager I won't be accepting her offer whenever that may come, then I have to deal with that awkwardness until I get offered from the old agency.
Essentially... do I take the role in which the offer is coming soon for better career opportunity/advancement/challenging myself - or go back to the old agency where I'd be more familiar with that role and really probably not have to learn anything new? I am leaning towards the former...
This post was edited on 7/22/23 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 7/22/23 at 2:58 pm to SCgamecock2988
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take the role in which the offer is coming soon for better career opportunity/advancement/challening myself
No brainer IMO.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 2:59 pm to SCgamecock2988
Be honest with your current manager and tell him the roles you want.
He is in a better position to have you placed if this future role is really a thing.
He is in a better position to have you placed if this future role is really a thing.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 2:59 pm to SCgamecock2988
that is a lot of words
Posted on 7/22/23 at 3:00 pm to SCgamecock2988
void
This post was edited on 7/24/23 at 8:32 am
Posted on 7/22/23 at 3:01 pm to SCgamecock2988
quote:you're the only one that can overcome that.
and getting kind of psyched out that I won't be able to do it
Look at it this way, in a billion years the sun will explode and engulf this earth. We will all burn together and all be equal in ash.
Everything is going to be OK.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 3:03 pm to SCgamecock2988
she was making a move on you and wants her back blown out.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 3:04 pm to SCgamecock2988
quote:
Essentially... do I take the role in which the offer is coming soon for better career opportunity/advancement/challenging myself - or go back to the old agency where I'd be more familiar with that role and really probably not have to learn anything new? I am leaning towards the former...
You take the first one. Always be learning, and 10 years of doing the same shite is as good as one year of experience occuring 10 times.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 3:04 pm to greenbean
I've really never seen an offer take this long.. I think it could be salary related though because they can only increase someone so much with the state. She might be trying to get more on the offer, and I even lowballed myself. I know the guy who was previously in the position (but not well), and I got in contact with him and he had this issue when he first started. He eventually got more, but by then was leaving. He just didn't like the work as he likes more accounting black and white issues. His work now primarily is in reconciliations.
This job will be more analysis and even looking at policy related things.
He did mention this manager wants to make Excel sheets more dynamic, but he wasn't really doing that. I already know I couldn't do that right off the bat. Obviously the point being have as little time dedicated to getting the data where it needs to be and all the time to actually analyze it.
This job will be more analysis and even looking at policy related things.
He did mention this manager wants to make Excel sheets more dynamic, but he wasn't really doing that. I already know I couldn't do that right off the bat. Obviously the point being have as little time dedicated to getting the data where it needs to be and all the time to actually analyze it.
This post was edited on 7/22/23 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 7/22/23 at 3:09 pm to SCgamecock2988
quote:
I am worried about actually being able to perform well in this role (data analysis).. I haven't had to do a lot of extensive stuff.... ever, in Excel and now I will need to know this stuff. Mostly pivot tables (which I can set up), but then making very professional/presentable graphs from the data and throwing them in powerpoints, etc
This sounds like a mind numbing job.
But best of luck! Pivot tables are very easy to set up and manipulate. PowerPoint is also very simple. You’ll be fine.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 3:11 pm to SCgamecock2988
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likes more accounting black and white issues.
I will say, I made the jump from normal accounting to a more controller/CFO style role and, while frustrating at times, it gives me a lot more joy as I'm the one ultimately signing off on financials. It's different, and there are times I get overwhelmed, but it's also the path to keep moving forward and will be instrumental if I go to open my own business.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 3:12 pm to SCgamecock2988
Challenge yourself and learn the new position. The reality is most people don't know shite, especially when they start a new position. What will separate you is if you show a willingness to learn and bust your arse.
If the majority of it is just learning excel, start taking online courses now. Theres never been an easier time to learn technical stuff.
Also, familiarize yourself with ChatGPT or other AI platforms. They're great for coding and excel. You can do some very advanced things with excel by just asking AI.
If the majority of it is just learning excel, start taking online courses now. Theres never been an easier time to learn technical stuff.
Also, familiarize yourself with ChatGPT or other AI platforms. They're great for coding and excel. You can do some very advanced things with excel by just asking AI.
This post was edited on 7/22/23 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 7/22/23 at 3:15 pm to SCgamecock2988
If you have no background in Data Analysis and there is no one there that can help you then you may want to rethink the position if they are expecting results immediately. I do similar work but mostly in sql then use that to build dashboards, reports etc.. in various software. If you dont have much experience in either excel/sql etc and are expected to produce various reports for this group with no help then it may be a challenge. If there is someone there to help you then you could pick it up pretty quickly.
This post was edited on 7/22/23 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 7/22/23 at 3:20 pm to SCgamecock2988
quote:
I've started looking at stuff to train myself prior, and getting kind of psyched out that I won't be able to do it, and that maybe I gave off the impression in the interview that I was better at Excel than I really am
It’s time to nut up.
You sound single, so it should be no problem doing 4-6 hours per day.
Get on Data Camp, w3, or freeCodeCamp to learn and practice the basics.
It really sounds like you’ll need Tableau or Power BI experience too (for data visualization).
You can do it. Don’t be a defeatist.
And get started, yesterday.
Excel and SQL will be a must.
Hit up Udemy or YouTube for excel and I’ve found DataCamp to be good for learning SQL in addition to Alex the Analyst on YouTube.
This post was edited on 7/22/23 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 7/22/23 at 3:39 pm to SCgamecock2988
quote:
Awkward position
Like the backseat of a Volkswagen?
Posted on 7/22/23 at 3:45 pm to SCgamecock2988
Uhhhhh not reading all that.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 4:25 pm to SCgamecock2988
quote:
I've started looking at stuff to train myself prior, and getting kind of psyched out that I won't be able to do it, and that maybe I gave off the impression in the interview that I was better at Excel than I really am. I was, however, honest that I had no SQL or SAS experience, and even said I had not used PowerPoint in forever.
SAS is not so complex. The only problem is you have to memorize weird syntax and it’s antiquated. I’d look into Python. You can easily move to R, or even C/C++ for more complex statistical analysis when working with very large data sets. They're interconnected with each other very well. Moreover, SAS is a standalone hero that many companies are moving away from. Many departments within the Enterprise, SMB, and mid-market sectors have gotten rid of SAS due to infrastructure issues and high costs. Many companies are converting all their SAS workflows into Python, thus; have saved a ton of money.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 4:42 pm to bayoubengals88
All of that is well and good but until I have real work to do it’s hard to sometimes apply those teachings.
Also not sure how much on the job training I’ll even get. She kind of alluded to this three weeks ago in her office.
Closing FY23. Setting up FY24 and already preparing for FY25.
Also not sure how much on the job training I’ll even get. She kind of alluded to this three weeks ago in her office.
Closing FY23. Setting up FY24 and already preparing for FY25.
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