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re: I'm taking legal action against the Office of Motor Vehicles
Posted on 4/10/25 at 8:01 am to eitek1
Posted on 4/10/25 at 8:01 am to eitek1
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The "injustice" was failing to issue my son a TIP card in violation of state law. That was the harm.
So, to paraphrase, the harm done was that your son could not get a TIP card. Got it.
Can you quantify the economic value of that injury? Can you quantify the impact of that harm done to him? To you?
quote:
The piece of information they required, they were specifically prohibited from requiring by both state and federal law. This isn't even in question. It's literally written into the law.
I guess I'm just flabbergasted by your ignorance. You are still insisting I don't understand the law when I have a court judgement in hand that is signed by a judge. A judge, you know the folks that are there to decide matters of law? That guy agreed with my interpretation of the law.
That means my understanding of the law is consistent with the actual meaning of the law. That also means that your understanding of the law is incorrect.
I'm not sure what else to tell you to help you understand.
You really are all over the place on this.
Can you point to my posts outlining my lack of understanding, or even disagreement with, "the law" as you keep saying over and over again like a 3 year old?
Your capacity to understand and take ownership of your role in this situation is absurdly low.
Let me spell it out for you in what I think may be clear language:
Your decision to not get your son a SSN is what started this problem. You created difficulty in his life. You did that. The state didn't do this. And now my taxpayer money was spent adjudicating this. Congratulations on being a wasteful idiot.
The true patriots are those who care about the good of society as a whole, not those vested solely in their own radical self-interest.
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Posted on 4/10/25 at 8:04 am to SUB
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Well you see, you don’t have to assume that because he tells you why he did it. Stop being lazy.
He had 2-3 different reasons for not doing it. It changes every few pages of posts. One time it's about not wanting his kid to have to participate in the social security program, another is about identity theft. Regardless, he won in court so he's right!!!!!!111
This is so entertaining.
Posted on 4/10/25 at 8:06 am to eitek1
quote:
“Don't try and teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time, and it annoys the pig.”
Mark Twain
You should probably read that to yourself a bit.
What else do you do to waste other people's time for your personal benefit?
Posted on 4/10/25 at 8:17 am to Cell of Awareness
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SSN. Parents usually apply for one for their kids at birth, since it’s needed for things like claiming dependents on taxes
This is a good point. How do you go about claiming them as dependents on your return without an SSN?
Posted on 4/10/25 at 8:28 am to msap9020
quote:A few years ago I had a client like this. Had to file a paper return for him, put “not applicable” for the dependent’s SSN and attached a copy of the birth certificate. The Feds accepted it but I wasn’t going to be surprised if it was rejected
How do you go about claiming them as dependents on your return without an SSN?
Posted on 4/10/25 at 8:40 am to Peruviantiger
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Congrats! Finally someone who says what they mean and mean what they say. Well done sir. I have been waiting for an update. After reading this entire thread, I have learned several things: 1. The lack of comprehension skills that so many people have. It’s obvious you said that your son could get a ssn when HE wanted. He will never be denied or hindered in anything. If and when he needs it, he will get it, no big deal. What’s so hard about that to understand? 2. The level of judgement and getting personal like they were offended by what you did was suprising to me, This is thw OT so I guess I shouldn’t be suprised. 3. There’s lots of sheep who just follow what they’re told and think it’s foolish and counterproductive when someone speaks up even if what they’re told is contrary to law. This is how freedoms are taken away. Lastly, I read where the one guy called you a little twerp, I had to laugh, because what if you were like 6’3 and 250. Again, congrats on the win. Now, little eitek1 (SA) is not discriminated against by the dmv and can move on and get his license.
All of this.
Especially number 3.
Posted on 4/10/25 at 8:41 am to eitek1
I haven't read the entire thread but I haven't seen you address the fact that this whole fiasco will make it a huge burden on your son in a few short years when he has to do adult things himself. Are you going to intervene for him and hold his hand every time he needs to do something that requires a SSN? Are you going to pay for and waste time going to court like you just did? God forbid but what if something were to happen to you and you aren't around anymore? He's already going to hate to have this burden as it is and then he would have to go through everything without your time, money and resources available to him. None of my business but I just feel bad for your kid because your "principles" or whatever excuse you are using. He didn't do this, you did.
Posted on 4/10/25 at 8:46 am to DrEdgeLSU
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He had 2-3 different reasons for not doing it. It changes every few pages of posts. One time it's about not wanting his kid to have to participate in the social security program, another is about identity theft. Regardless, he won in court so he's right!!!!!!111
He can't have more than one reason for doing this? It's not like those reasons are mutually exclusive.
You seem weirdly bitter about this.
Posted on 4/10/25 at 8:59 am to SUB
I think you might be able to get a Tax ID and use that instead of a social everywhere you would put the SSN. I don't know how that would benefit you in the long run but I think it would be possible.
Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:11 am to bobaftt1212
As far as I know, US citizens aren’t eligible for ITINs. This kid (teen) will need a SSN to function in society in a few years, unless he already has enough money to not ever need to work
Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:26 am to Meauxjeaux
Probably why the director of the OMV recently resigned...
Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:30 am to SUB
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He can't have more than one reason for doing this? It's not like those reasons are mutually exclusive.
Read the whole thread. He’s all over the place.
He said he didn’t do it because he wants to give his son the choice.
Then he said it’s because he doesn’t want to force him into a crappy retirement savings program, despite being such a fierce proponent of “the law.”
The he shifted to not wanting to give a SSN to the OMV because of data breaches.
These reasons may not be mutually exclusive but they seem to morph as the rationale gets debunked.
Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:48 am to DrEdgeLSU
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as the rationale gets debunke
What was debunked?
Posted on 4/10/25 at 10:22 am to DrEdgeLSU
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Why doesn't he have a Social security number? If he want's to get one, he's perfectly free to do so. I'm not signing my son up for a federal investment program that offers horrible returns that he can't opt out of, ever. If he wants to do this, he's more than capable as an adult.
From the first post.
The idea that this guy is such a law abiding citizen and that his son actually can choose not to participate in SS is laughable. People pointed out this fallacy repeatedly.
Posted on 4/10/25 at 10:25 am to eitek1
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Why doesn't he have a Social security number? If he want's to get one, he's perfectly free to do so. I'm not signing my son up for a federal investment program that offers horrible returns that he can't opt out of, ever. If he wants to do this, he's more than capable as an adult.
Oh that's right - you're a crazy person. I have to read this first post from time to time to remind myself.
Posted on 4/10/25 at 10:26 am to eitek1
Blow job!!!!!!
Posted on 4/10/25 at 10:26 am to DrEdgeLSU
People like OP are the absolute worst.
They don't want to participate in society like the rest of us, but they want all of the benefits. Then they act like douchebags and clog the court system with bullshite.
If you don't want to get a SSN and you are born here in the US, you shouldn't be allowed to drive. Period.
They don't want to participate in society like the rest of us, but they want all of the benefits. Then they act like douchebags and clog the court system with bullshite.
If you don't want to get a SSN and you are born here in the US, you shouldn't be allowed to drive. Period.
Posted on 4/10/25 at 10:31 am to Cell of Awareness
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Because this is he kind of thing a torally impotent person would do to feign manhood.. If you’re a U.S. citizen, you’re generally expected to have an SSN.
The funniest part of this is he boasts about his long familial history of military service to the Revolution yet he is steering his son down this sovereign citizen path like some self proclaimed hero
Newsflash, the Army wants a SSN before you join
Posted on 4/10/25 at 10:40 am to eitek1
You realize he won't be able to get a job and provide for himself without a SSN. Good Companies run background checks that require a SSN. He'll have to have one to fill out a W-4 to get paid and for tax purposes, this requires a SSN, IRS will have no clue how to tax without a SSN and no employer will take that risk to hire him without a W4 which requires a SSN, in addition an I-9 is required to show he is eligible to work in US. I-9 will prove he is a legal worker with 2 forms of ID (people always show a state issued ID, a social security card, or passport. All those require a SSN) for their I-9 form. He will have 0 ability to fill out a W-4 or I-9. I can guarantee no employer will hire him. Less a background check which any respectable job does these days.
Your son won't get a job unless he works meager under the table jobs like illegals do.
This was really dumb and not planned out correctly by you.
He truly is screwed and will not be able to receive any job, nor likely be able to get into any college.
Your son won't get a job unless he works meager under the table jobs like illegals do.
This was really dumb and not planned out correctly by you.
He truly is screwed and will not be able to receive any job, nor likely be able to get into any college.
This post was edited on 4/10/25 at 11:03 am
Posted on 4/10/25 at 10:49 am to Saunson69
I just used my dad’s for my first few jobs until I got mine when I was 1/2 way through LSU. He can probably do the same.
Jr. already has a passport. He’ll be fine.
Jr. already has a passport. He’ll be fine.
This post was edited on 4/10/25 at 10:50 am
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