re: I’m preparing for another ‘wasted’ year..

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You must be a teacher or some kind of government worker.
That restaurant server or bartender or musician is already in horrible shape from previous shutdowns and restrictions. They need to be able to earn a living.
Know who else is out of work, the fcking owner of the restaurants, bars, etc as thousands have closed for good around the country.

Go ahead and live in your nice little comfortable bubble making comments about peoples very real problems.

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It's funny you have read my posts and think I don't understand this. Of course jobs are being lost, and it's terrible. But very little is economically permanent when it comes to individuals, which is the premise that I originally responded to.

I think you would agree that the same hard working Americans, both employers and employees, that lose jobs will be the same ones who will drive and benefit from the rebuild coming out of the pandemic.

We're at 243k at the moment. What do you think would happen if we decided to immediately go back to normal? I mean, it's basic math.

For good? I doubt that. If that’s the case then what are banks and lenders going to do when people aren’t borrowing money to start small businesses?

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this is the level of reading comprehension you guys are going to put into the discussio

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Typical prog. Abandon discussion when there is no answers.

Do you disagree?

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Do you disagree?

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Of course I disagree. If a small business closes, you're telling me that the livelihoods of those people who lose jobs is permanently destroyed? That their ability to work and earn a living is gone forever?

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If a small business closes, you're telling me that the livelihoods of those people who lose jobs is permanently destroyed?

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Many people will lose earning potential.

Many small business owners lose something theyve spent years building and will never gain that status again.

Youre dealing with opportunity cost more than than extremes that you seem to be stuck in..

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Youre dealing with opportunity cost more than than extremes that you seem to be stuck in..

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The post I originally responded to was extreme. I hate these sorts of things because all they do is promote hysteria.

The point I'm making is very little is permanent. This is all terrible, but the fact that people have lost and will lose earning potential is an unavoidable trade off. I would say the same thing if I lost my job.

I'm sure you and others will say that it's avoidable, because it seems therein lies the fundamental disagreement here. Uncertain levels of death/potential death vs. economic impact. It's a tough decision, especially if you've dealt with COVID death personally.

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If a server at a restaurant loses their job because the place shuts down, you're telling me their livelihood is permanently destroyed? As in they will never find another job and restaurants will never re-open?

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- They can't get a new job until restaurants are open. This means they are living on a maximum $275/week Louisiana unemployment

- If their restaurant closes down forever, and many will, they have no job to go back to. When things open and they begin to look for jobs, every ex-server will be doing the same. They will have a hard time finding a job at the places left open.

- People aren't going to just jump back into normal life because we've brainwashed them into thinking its scary out there. Every place that isn't the "top dog" is going to be dead once they are open for a while. This means like $50 for a 5 hour shift.

- If they go back to phased openings, employees are working while only being able to seat like 2 tables at a time vs. a whole section.

I can go on.

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If a server at a restaurant loses their job because the place shuts down, you're telling me their livelihood is permanently destroyed? As in they will never find another job and restaurants will never re-open?

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the first lockdown came close to destroying my business and i'm not a server at a restaurant

mid-term prospects are somewhat iffy as well

and i was utterly fricked by the 2008 crash as well. i'm going to lose some insane % of my expected wealth due to these 2 events due to unlucky timing in life

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We're at 243k at the moment

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Number is BS because of the way they count "Covid deaths." But even setting that aside, the average age is 80, half are in nursing homes and most of the rest have serious health problems unrelated to Covid. Last I looked, over 57% of the Alabama deaths had "multiple" co-morbidities. Many can't accept this, but a lot of this is nothing more than ordinary mortality.