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I'm convinced the "public" and the "government" can't conserve anything.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:35 pm
Waldo Wilcox was a Utah rancher whose ranch had the richest Indian artifacts - all undisturbed. It was a pristine place. He owned the ranch and protected it from 1951 to 2001. He sold it, and eventually the Utah Department of Wildlife took over. Archeologists came in - removed stuff, lost stuff and made trails all over the place as they moved from site to site. Vandals came in. Some artifacts were stolen. The government didn't like Wilcox because he was critical of how the place was being preserved (rightfully so). The grass was not maintained, creating a huge fire risk.
Friend of my uncle's has a place in the mountains and is convinced to re-open a long closed trail so people can hike to government land. He figured a few people, but the use was heavy and the people littered (among other things) and they didn't stay on the trail.
Idaho's version of land conservation on public lands is to ride loud, polluting ATV's all over the place.
I like conservation easements which don't allow public access. They are great conservation tools. Allowing the public into conservation sites sucks.
Friend of my uncle's has a place in the mountains and is convinced to re-open a long closed trail so people can hike to government land. He figured a few people, but the use was heavy and the people littered (among other things) and they didn't stay on the trail.
Idaho's version of land conservation on public lands is to ride loud, polluting ATV's all over the place.
I like conservation easements which don't allow public access. They are great conservation tools. Allowing the public into conservation sites sucks.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:37 pm to yoga girl
I agree with you completely. I couldn’t have said it better myself.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:39 pm to yoga girl
Some Jewish guy sprayed Talstar from a plane over my property.
What a bastard.
He missed a spot.
What a bastard.
He missed a spot.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:40 pm to yoga girl
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Allowing the public into conservation sites sucks.
I agree with everything but this.
What's the point in conserving it if we aren't allowed to enjoy it.
Educating the public on the importance of protecting it should be a bigger priority.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:44 pm to Scooba
You and I both know that half of the population, give-or-take, are ineducable.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:45 pm to yoga girl
Let’s just get right to chemtrails on page 1.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:46 pm to Scooba
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I agree with everything but this.
What's the point in conserving it if we aren't allowed to enjoy it.
Educating the public on the importance of protecting it should be a bigger priority.
I would love to agree, but the general public sucks. Most people have no respect for the land, and we're not allowed to say "only decent people who don't litter and who know how not to abuse the place will be allowed in."
Also, I don't believe that every nice conservation property should be enjoyed by all. For example, places like the Amazon don't need to become tourist traps. We destroy everthing we enter, as a general rule.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:46 pm to RedPop4
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half of the population, give-or-take, are ineducable.
Democrats.
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we're not allowed to say "only decent people who don't litter and who know how not to abuse the place will be allowed in."
Well no, not technically. But it's against federal law to abuse the land, it needs to be strictly enforced. I understand that it's difficult to patrol but it should be the States responsibility to staff the parks.
It's a shame more people aren't willing to volunteer.
This post was edited on 5/29/18 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:46 pm to RedPop4
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You and I both know that half of the population, give-or-take, are ineducable.
Which basically means 90% of the posters on Tigerdroppings.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:46 pm to yoga girl
People are trying to get paid and create jobs for others. GFY
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:47 pm to BRgetthenet
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Let’s just get right to chemtrails on page 1.
THis is more important than Chem-trails.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:52 pm to yoga girl
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I like conservation easements which don't allow public access. They are great conservation tools.
WTF?
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:53 pm to yoga girl
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THis is more important than Chem-trails.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:56 pm to Scooba
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Well no, not technically. But it's against federal law to abuse the land, it needs to be strictly enforced. I understand that it's difficult to patrol but it should be the States responsibility to staff the parks.
It's a shame more people aren't willing to volunteer.
In the case of the Utah ranch with all the Fremont artifacts, it was the "experts" and "volunteers" that messed it up. They lost stuff they removed (why not leave it in place as it had been for 100's of years?). They made trails and tracks everywhere.
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But the outspoken rancher has become something of an embarrassment to the new stewards, as he freely expresses his concerns over their management, vandalism by others, artifact removal, dusty roads and dried-out fields.
“They was always bragging about their educations,” Wilcox says. “But I was always having to straighten them out.”
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The new landowner, the Utah Division of Wildlife Resources, has stopped irrigating and grazing the fields, so the grasses are overgrown and dried out, a fire hazard, he says, especially with all the archaeologists around who smoke.
Derris Jones, Wildlife Resources’ regional supervisor, says the state irrigates what it legally can with water rights for only 29 acres.
Wildlife’s decision to allow commercial tours of the canyon, beginning last summer, is a cause of concern for some archaeologists. The tours are accompanied by retired wildlife officials, not archaeologists.
LINK
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:56 pm to yoga girl
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Also, I don't believe that every nice conservation property should be enjoyed by all.
Sounds like you would have preferred living under extreme authoritarian rule such as the old Soviet Union
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:58 pm to RogerTheShrubber
This fetishization of "wilderness" is one of my biggest pet peeves around.
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