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I'm convinced the "public" and the "government" can't conserve anything.

Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:35 pm
Posted by yoga girl
Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:35 pm
Waldo Wilcox was a Utah rancher whose ranch had the richest Indian artifacts - all undisturbed. It was a pristine place. He owned the ranch and protected it from 1951 to 2001. He sold it, and eventually the Utah Department of Wildlife took over. Archeologists came in - removed stuff, lost stuff and made trails all over the place as they moved from site to site. Vandals came in. Some artifacts were stolen. The government didn't like Wilcox because he was critical of how the place was being preserved (rightfully so). The grass was not maintained, creating a huge fire risk.

Friend of my uncle's has a place in the mountains and is convinced to re-open a long closed trail so people can hike to government land. He figured a few people, but the use was heavy and the people littered (among other things) and they didn't stay on the trail.

Idaho's version of land conservation on public lands is to ride loud, polluting ATV's all over the place.

I like conservation easements which don't allow public access. They are great conservation tools. Allowing the public into conservation sites sucks.
Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:37 pm to
I agree with you completely. I couldn’t have said it better myself.
Posted by crewdepoo
Hogwarts
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Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:37 pm to
Damn conservatives
Posted by rowbear1922
Houston, TX
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Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:38 pm to
Dear Facebook...
Posted by X123F45
Dictated not Read
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:39 pm to
Some Jewish guy sprayed Talstar from a plane over my property.

What a bastard.

He missed a spot.
Posted by Kjun Tiger
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Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:40 pm to
Posted by Scooba
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:40 pm to
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Allowing the public into conservation sites sucks.



I agree with everything but this.

What's the point in conserving it if we aren't allowed to enjoy it.

Educating the public on the importance of protecting it should be a bigger priority.
Posted by RedPop4
Santiago de Compostela
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:44 pm to
You and I both know that half of the population, give-or-take, are ineducable.
Posted by BRgetthenet
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:45 pm to
Let’s just get right to chemtrails on page 1.
Posted by yoga girl
Member since Dec 2015
3691 posts
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:46 pm to
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I agree with everything but this.

What's the point in conserving it if we aren't allowed to enjoy it.

Educating the public on the importance of protecting it should be a bigger priority.


I would love to agree, but the general public sucks. Most people have no respect for the land, and we're not allowed to say "only decent people who don't litter and who know how not to abuse the place will be allowed in."

Also, I don't believe that every nice conservation property should be enjoyed by all. For example, places like the Amazon don't need to become tourist traps. We destroy everthing we enter, as a general rule.
Posted by Scooba
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:46 pm to
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half of the population, give-or-take, are ineducable.


Democrats.


quote:

we're not allowed to say "only decent people who don't litter and who know how not to abuse the place will be allowed in."


Well no, not technically. But it's against federal law to abuse the land, it needs to be strictly enforced. I understand that it's difficult to patrol but it should be the States responsibility to staff the parks.

It's a shame more people aren't willing to volunteer.
This post was edited on 5/29/18 at 4:49 pm
Posted by BRgetthenet
Member since Oct 2011
118270 posts
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:46 pm to
quote:

You and I both know that half of the population, give-or-take, are ineducable.



Which basically means 90% of the posters on Tigerdroppings.
Posted by OweO
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Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:46 pm to
People are trying to get paid and create jobs for others. GFY
Posted by yoga girl
Member since Dec 2015
3691 posts
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:47 pm to
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Let’s just get right to chemtrails on page 1.


THis is more important than Chem-trails.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:47 pm to
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yoga girl


Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:52 pm to
quote:

I like conservation easements which don't allow public access. They are great conservation tools.


WTF?
Posted by WinnPtiger
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:53 pm to
quote:

THis is more important than Chem-trails.



Posted by yoga girl
Member since Dec 2015
3691 posts
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:56 pm to
quote:

Well no, not technically. But it's against federal law to abuse the land, it needs to be strictly enforced. I understand that it's difficult to patrol but it should be the States responsibility to staff the parks.

It's a shame more people aren't willing to volunteer.


In the case of the Utah ranch with all the Fremont artifacts, it was the "experts" and "volunteers" that messed it up. They lost stuff they removed (why not leave it in place as it had been for 100's of years?). They made trails and tracks everywhere.

quote:

But the outspoken rancher has become something of an embarrassment to the new stewards, as he freely expresses his concerns over their management, vandalism by others, artifact removal, dusty roads and dried-out fields.

“They was always bragging about their educations,” Wilcox says. “But I was always having to straighten them out.”


quote:

The new landowner, the Utah Division of Wildlife Resources, has stopped irrigating and grazing the fields, so the grasses are overgrown and dried out, a fire hazard, he says, especially with all the archaeologists around who smoke.

Derris Jones, Wildlife Resources’ regional supervisor, says the state irrigates what it legally can with water rights for only 29 acres.

Wildlife’s decision to allow commercial tours of the canyon, beginning last summer, is a cause of concern for some archaeologists. The tours are accompanied by retired wildlife officials, not archaeologists.


LINK
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:56 pm to
quote:

Also, I don't believe that every nice conservation property should be enjoyed by all.


Sounds like you would have preferred living under extreme authoritarian rule such as the old Soviet Union
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
111640 posts
Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:58 pm to
This fetishization of "wilderness" is one of my biggest pet peeves around.
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