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re: I'm convinced the "public" and the "government" can't conserve anything.

Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:59 pm to
Posted by X123F45
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Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:59 pm to
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We destroy everthing we enter, as a general rule.


Have we slept together?
Posted by yoga girl
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Posted on 5/29/18 at 4:59 pm to
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WTF?
Conservation easements are great. You give a qualified organization an easement whereby your property is protected from development, logging, etc. You can still allow hunting but you don't have to allow public access (and most landowners aren't going to allow public access). We have family conservation properties, and most have conservation easements.

My uncle and I are looking for a conservation property to buy right now. It will have a conservation easement established on it shortly after we acquire it.
Posted by yoga girl
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Posted on 5/29/18 at 5:00 pm to
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This fetishization of "wilderness" is one of my biggest pet peeves around.


In what way?
Posted by X123F45
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Posted on 5/29/18 at 5:01 pm to
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My uncle and I are looking for a conservation property to buy right now. It will have a conservation easement established on it shortly after we acquire it.




And the best part is, at the end, you log it bare, plant pine, and get another easement.

It's a federally subsidized tree plantation.
This post was edited on 5/29/18 at 5:02 pm
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 5/29/18 at 5:05 pm to
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THis is more important than Chem-trails.


That and chemtrails don't fricking exist.

You're welcome, everyone!
Posted by yoga girl
Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 5/29/18 at 5:05 pm to
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And the best part is, at the end, you log it bare, plant pine, and get another easement.

It's a federally subsidized tree plantation.


I'm not against timber management to mitigate fire dangers or to maintain forest health. But, if it is my place, it will not be a timber property.

We have guests who come out to our family properties. I've been surprised at how indifferent some are (maybe it is ignorance). In my experience, hunters and people who fish are the most considerate.

ETA: I laughed at your earlier comment.
This post was edited on 5/29/18 at 5:07 pm
Posted by Count Chocula
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Posted on 5/29/18 at 5:08 pm to
So what's the real question?

Nevermind, I see the real question:

My uncle and I are looking for a conservation property to buy right now. It will have a conservation easement established on it shortly after we acquire it.
This post was edited on 5/29/18 at 5:11 pm
Posted by yoga girl
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Posted on 5/29/18 at 5:11 pm to
HUH?
Posted by Count Chocula
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Posted on 5/29/18 at 5:12 pm to
You want to buy land and use easements to your advantage.
Posted by Barstools
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Posted on 5/29/18 at 5:13 pm to
Sounds like Waldo fricked it up for everyone. Why did he sell out to the man?
Posted by yoga girl
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Posted on 5/29/18 at 5:16 pm to
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You want to buy land and use easements to your advantage.


There are tax advantages. But, that is not why you do it. I want (my uncle has somewhat different requirements) a property with "topography" (canyons, mountains, etc.), trees, live water with fish, large places around it with conservation easements (so you don't have some development pop up nearby).

The conservation easement protects your property and that of your neighbors.

Posted by yoga girl
Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 5/29/18 at 5:18 pm to
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Sounds like Waldo fricked it up for everyone. Why did he sell out to the man?


He said that he could not divide up his property fairly among his kids. I have wondered why he did not set up some kind of trust.
Posted by Count Chocula
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Posted on 5/29/18 at 5:20 pm to
Don't ever plan to develop it then. Never, ever buy land the govt considers wetlands. You cant even do things to protect it from erosion without their approval.
Posted by Count Chocula
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Posted on 5/29/18 at 5:21 pm to
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I want (my uncle has somewhat different requirements) a property with "topography" (canyons, mountains, etc.), trees, live water with fish, large places around it with conservation easements (so you don't have some development pop up nearby).


Are resident Bigfoots a problem?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 5/29/18 at 5:23 pm to
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This fetishization of "wilderness" is one of my biggest pet peeves around.


In what way? I love wilderness but let's not start limiting access
Posted by yoga girl
Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 5/29/18 at 5:27 pm to
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Don't ever plan to develop it then. Never, ever buy land the govt considers wetlands. You cant even do things to protect it from erosion without their approval.


Our family land is far from the wetlands area (I think).
Posted by Count Chocula
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Posted on 5/29/18 at 5:29 pm to
Wetlands are not just along the coast. Some are far inland, but chances are you're safe.
Posted by deltaland
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Posted on 5/29/18 at 6:09 pm to
This is why private ownership beats government ownership every time.

You're on your way to being red pilled
Posted by Jake88
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Posted on 5/29/18 at 6:16 pm to
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You're on your way to being red pilled
I think risperdal is more of a peach color.
Posted by Tigris
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Posted on 5/29/18 at 6:38 pm to
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For example, places like the Amazon don't need to become tourist traps. We destroy everthing we enter, as a general rule.


Fortunately the Amazon basin is still so huge that tourism makes almost no impact on it. But yeah, HUGE tracts need to be off limits. There will still be plenty for tourists.

I've been able to visit some really great places that are still pristine. And I always think of a quote by David Foster Wallace. These trips weren't "mass tourism" but he wasn't wrong, to be honest.

“To be a mass tourist, for me, is to become a pure late-date American: alien, ignorant, greedy for something you cannot ever have, disappointed in a way you can never admit. It is to spoil, by way of sheer ontology, the very unspoiledness you are there to experience, It is to impose yourself on places that in all non-economic ways would be better, realer, without you. It is, in lines and gridlock and transaction after transaction, to confront a dimension of yourself that is as inescapable as it is painful: As a tourist, you become economically significant but existentially loathsome, an insect on a dead thing.”
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