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re: I'm convinced education's steep decline began and continues today for 3 main reasons!
Posted on 6/14/24 at 3:40 pm to Pettifogger
Posted on 6/14/24 at 3:40 pm to Pettifogger
I think you would really enjoy this essay. Try to get your hands on it if possible.
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Posted on 6/14/24 at 4:26 pm to SwampyWaters
Corporal punishment once was needed, but times have changed. Now all you have to do is threaten to take the little frickers smart phones away and that works better than the threat of getting paddled by a factor or at least 10 or 15.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 5:06 pm to SwampyWaters
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1. Removal of God from the classroom - sadly, these days you even mention God in the classroom, you could get written up, fired, or some radical group might show up outside your school protesting.
You lost me right off the bat.
This post was edited on 6/14/24 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 6/14/24 at 5:21 pm to SwampyWaters
The deterioration in the classroom mirrors the deteriorating society. Look around. It isn’t 1959 or even 1989 anymore. Trashiness is celebrated. Plus, the child-centric way families are now structured is supposed to be better for the kids but it is worse. The inmates are running the asylum, even in good 2-parent homes.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 6:19 pm to Rick9Plus
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The deterioration in the classroom mirrors the deteriorating society. Look around. It isn’t 1959 or even 1989 anymore. Trashiness is celebrated. Plus, the child-centric way families are now structured is supposed to be better for the kids but it is worse. The inmates are running the asylum, even in good 2-parent homes.
Narcissistic emotive individualism.
Less God, more me.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 6:47 pm to low end
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I can only speak to what is happening around me. Budgets being reduced in favor of school vouchers for private schools.
That’s not leading to poor performance. It’s happening because of poor performance.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 6:55 pm to LSURussian
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I'll give my own 3 reasons for public education's decline:
1) Teachers unions.
2) Teachers unions.
3) Teachers unions.
Now give your 3 reasons for the dozens of states that don’t have teachers unions
Posted on 6/14/24 at 6:56 pm to Man4others
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too many women as teachers or in positions of leadership within the schools
Do you have a son? Have you encouraged him to become a public school teacher?
Posted on 6/14/24 at 6:57 pm to SwampyWaters
I’m also a teacher, 12 years in so not as long as you.
I agree with your points but I think you’ve got causation and results mixed.
Your 3 reasons why education is failing are not the reason it’s failing. The reason those 3 things don’t work anymore is because of the reason education is failing.
Education is failing because personal responsibility is no longer emphasized at home or at school.
I have taught in a very low income public school, an affluent public school, and now an affluent private school and it’s the same everywhere.
Parents tell their kids that it’s not their fault, teachers tell kids when they can’t listen they have ADD. If they can’t write they have disgraphia, if they can’t do math they have discalcula.
They have no personal responsibility so those co sequences are less effective because they just think you’re being mean for no reason
I agree with your points but I think you’ve got causation and results mixed.
Your 3 reasons why education is failing are not the reason it’s failing. The reason those 3 things don’t work anymore is because of the reason education is failing.
Education is failing because personal responsibility is no longer emphasized at home or at school.
I have taught in a very low income public school, an affluent public school, and now an affluent private school and it’s the same everywhere.
Parents tell their kids that it’s not their fault, teachers tell kids when they can’t listen they have ADD. If they can’t write they have disgraphia, if they can’t do math they have discalcula.
They have no personal responsibility so those co sequences are less effective because they just think you’re being mean for no reason
Posted on 6/14/24 at 6:57 pm to SwampyWaters
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1. Removal of God from the classroom
The kids should pledge allegiance to FSM every morning!
Posted on 6/15/24 at 5:45 am to SwampyWaters
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As a veteran teacher, I have seen first hand the enormous educational decline in students today compared to 20 years ago and it's getting worse every year. Today's students are much lower academically, more disrespectful/aggressive and parents are much less involved in their child's education and it shows.
This is 100% false. I first started teaching middle-school math in bad EBR schools in 2006, and the behavior problems and disrespect then were absolutely as bad as they are now.
The academics back then were horrible. They might be a little worse right now, but the reason for that is that COVID disrupted their learning.
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These days a student can ... bring drugs to school
Where in the world do you teach? In EBR, drugs result in automatic expulsion.
Yes, discipline is a major challenge at my school and at many others. The biggest culprit is all the laws that "protect students' rights." A student can be diagnosed with "oppositional disorder," and then it's almost impossible to get that student expelled for fighting, cursing out teachers, etc. -- because it's part of his disorder. Blame Congress and the resulting abuse of the Individuals with Disabilities in Education Act.
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I often wonder what lies ahead for future teachers. There is already a shortage of teachers and young teachers are quitting every day because they want to be a teacher, not a babysitter.
The job also doesn't pay enough to keep good people who can make a good bit more doing other things. As a culture, the American public doesn't care enough about the future to pay teachers enough to attract people to the profession.
If you go back 50 years, when women faced much bigger obstacles to success in the workforce, a lot of bright young women became teachers. In the 1950s, if you looked at the women graduating in the top 10% of their high-school class, over 20% of them became teachers. Now, that figure is under 5%.
Posted on 6/15/24 at 5:52 am to GOP_Tiger
In my district they are creating "flex schools".
It is basically code for "your bad little kid isn't going to be allowed to disrupt the education of the rest of these kids." Sending them to totally different campus.
It is basically code for "your bad little kid isn't going to be allowed to disrupt the education of the rest of these kids." Sending them to totally different campus.
Posted on 6/15/24 at 5:54 am to SwampyWaters
1. DOE
2. Teachers Unions
3. Rinse and repeat.
2. Teachers Unions
3. Rinse and repeat.
Posted on 6/15/24 at 6:01 am to SwampyWaters
Or maybe it's
1. Tenured teachers who check out and don't care
2. Ghetto dindunuffin culcha
3. Lack of fathers in homes has led to a lack of discipline in kids and without discipline they're destined to fail
1. Tenured teachers who check out and don't care
2. Ghetto dindunuffin culcha
3. Lack of fathers in homes has led to a lack of discipline in kids and without discipline they're destined to fail
Posted on 6/15/24 at 8:01 am to SwampyWaters
The biggest problem with schools today are parents…..that’s it.
Posted on 6/15/24 at 8:27 am to Solo Cam
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Or maybe it's
1. Tenured teachers who check out and don't care
I have seen this, but it's rare. Teaching is not some cushy job. Most of my colleagues are doing everything that they can for the kids.
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2. Ghetto dindunuffin culcha
Culture is a huge problem, especially among African-American boys. The girls that I teach often want to become lawyers, accountants, or doctors; but most of the boys only aspire to be athletes or rappers. It's definitely connected to:
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3. Lack of fathers in homes has led to a lack of discipline in kids and without discipline they're destined to fail
The kid who was my biggest behavior problem this past year? His dad has been in and out of jail his whole life, his mom is bipolar and can't take care of him, so his grandma has custody and is trying to raise him, but she has cancer and had surgery in the fall and was doing chemo in the spring, so you can imagine how much energy she had to take care of him (she also still had to work, obviously).
The boy who was my 2nd-biggest behavior problem also doesn't have parents who can take care of him. His uncle and aunt got custody of him about a year ago, but this spring, his uncle caught him stealing something and punched him in the face, requiring a number of stiches. So, the authorities put him into the foster care system.
None of that excuses any of their misbehavior in my classroom. But there's a difference between excusing misbehavior and understanding it. I try my hardest not to get angry and to maintain firm classroom discipline while maintaining control of my own emotions, but that's easier said than done when you have disruptive students, and you know that your students are already way behind academically, so you need to use every moment of instruction that you get.
Posted on 6/15/24 at 8:31 am to SwampyWaters
Look at all the down votes to your solid reasoning. There is the answer. 1/2 the country has no clue.
Posted on 6/15/24 at 8:31 am to Rouge
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In my district they are creating "flex schools".
It is basically code for "your bad little kid isn't going to be allowed to disrupt the education of the rest of these kids." Sending them to totally different campus.
In EBR, we have the "EBR Readiness Academy" for students who've been expelled from their neighborhood school.
Posted on 6/15/24 at 8:35 am to Downeast12
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I'll give my own 3 reasons for public education's decline:
1) Teachers unions.
2) Teachers unions.
3) Teachers unions.
Now give your 3 reasons for the dozens of states that don’t have teachers unions
The worst thing about the unions have done recently is that they supported the shutdowns during COVID, which severely damaged kids' academic levels.
In fairness, though, I will say that this is connected to the fact that today's classroom teachers are, as a whole, a very old bunch. As others have pointed out, the profession is aging, as we struggle to recruit and retain young teachers. And old people had a lot more reason to fear COVID than the general population.
Posted on 6/15/24 at 8:35 am to Paddyshack
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Prime example: common core math. Dumbest shite ever.
Some of my favorite ones I saw in my nephew’s homework were using dots or a number line answer this math problem.
Why not just teach regular addition and subtraction? Also to remember your multiples and times table into memory.
Once you get to the basics the rest is easy.
I guess if you do the word problems you can add a little DEI in the narrative.
This post was edited on 6/15/24 at 8:36 am
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