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re: I’m a Coastal Elite From the Midwest: The Real Bubble is Rural America

Posted on 3/19/18 at 1:14 pm to
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
61594 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 1:14 pm to
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Okay.. The midwest is boring as frick and lacks any type of culture. Is that a big surprise?
you're such an idiot
Posted by cahoots
Member since Jan 2009
9134 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 1:18 pm to
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Saying she doesn't understand small rust belt towns is an understatement. She, and a substantial portion of her own party are completely disconnected from that side of America. Many of them used to support candidates from her party.


Which side of America? Middle America? She grew up in Illinois, not on the east or west coast.

She still has a faint midwestern accent!

You’re having a hard time distinguishing political success in an area versus understanding it. They are not one in the same.
This post was edited on 3/19/18 at 1:21 pm
Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
24301 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 1:19 pm to
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Most of them are two town between white and black so the bubble is still a thing
Truth
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
42767 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 1:31 pm to
Where dis she go to college? Where does she live now? Where did she live after bill was no longer Arkansas governor?

And she has a faint midwestern accent? When? Certainly not when she’s talking to southerners or North easterners. She’s condescending, cold, and all around unlikeable. Sounds a whole hell of a lot like a costal elite and very much not like every Midwesterner I’ve ever known
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
172004 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 1:33 pm to
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Okay.. The midwest is boring as frick and lacks any type of culture. Is that a big surprise?



Said from baton fricking rouge
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 1:37 pm to
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I go to sleep each night hearing "Taps" played at Arlington Cemetery. When I was in BR I went to sleep listening to gunshots from Gardere. I've lived in the DC area since 2000 and have not had my car stolen once. Living next to LSU for four years my car was stolen three times.


Yet the D.C. Crime rate is significantly higher than the national average. There are bubbles in the D.C. Area that isolate you from the world most people live
Posted by brgfather129
Los Angeles, CA
Member since Jul 2009
17360 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 1:38 pm to
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Poliboard is to the left.


Yeah...we all know the brilliant conversations going on over there.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 1:40 pm to
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I also think it’s funny that you think Hillary lost because she doesn’t understand small towns. She’s married to a former president from a small town.


She hasn't been in touch with people from small towns in decades.

A tainted experience may be worse than no experience
Posted by Fratigerguy
Member since Jan 2014
4975 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 1:41 pm to
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Exactly. There are a lot more people who grew up in small towns that now live in big coastal cities than the other way around. Plenty of people in big and small towns live in bubbles. But if you had to pick, rural America is a bigger bubble simply because there isn’t much cross pollination. Hard to argue that.


So if I understand...more folks living in coastal cities are those from small towns than there are folks from coastal cities living in small towns? So the coastal city “natives” are far less likely to move out to the small towns than the other way around. And many of the coastal city residents are from small towns?

Who is in the bubble again? I’m not sure you guys realize the argument you are making.
Posted by rintintin
Life is Life
Member since Nov 2008
17102 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 1:43 pm to
I know people in Metairie and Nola who wouldn't even know how to converse with someone from rural LA. Some people live in a bubble regardless of where they're from.

Her living in Illinois and Bill in Arkansas means very little at this point.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 1:45 pm to
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Her living in Illinois and Bill in Arkansas means very little at this point.


Precisely. They probably hated small town people then as well
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
8720 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 1:53 pm to
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Saying she doesn't understand small rust belt towns is an understatement. She, and a substantial portion of her own party are completely disconnected from that side of America. Many of them used to support candidates from her party.


Which side of America? Middle America? She grew up in Illinois, not on the east or west coast.

She still has a faint midwestern accent!

You’re having a hard time distinguishing political success in an area versus understanding it. They are not one in the same.


She grew up in Park Ridge, not Effingham. It's a super-nice North Shore suburb that is 95% white with a median household income north of $130,000. It has a lot more in common with New York, DC, and SF than it does with the vast majority of the heartland, even the nice larger cities. She was always an over-achieving suburban dork who tried to play to the masses, and it was the major difference in having that common touch between her and Bill.
Posted by cahoots
Member since Jan 2009
9134 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 2:08 pm to
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She grew up in Park Ridge, not Effingham. It's a super-nice North Shore suburb that is 95% white with a median household income north of $130,000. It has a lot more in common with New York, DC, and SF than it does with the vast majority of the heartland, even the nice larger cities. She was always an over-achieving suburban dork who tried to play to the masses, and it was the major difference in having that common touch between her and Bill.


I see what you mean, but there are wealthy majority white suburbs all over this country. If we start grouping those with the “coastal elite” cities, pretty soon you’ll be taking about a quarter or half of the country’s population.

Besides, doesn’t your post really illustrate that we aren’t actually divided by coastal vs non-coastal? We’re actually segregated by income, education, race, etc. more than geography, no?
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
125034 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 2:13 pm to
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Okay.. The midwest is boring as frick and lacks any type of culture. Is that a big surprise?



haven't been wheeled out there?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 2:14 pm to
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Besides, doesn’t your post really illustrate that we aren’t actually divided by coastal vs non-coastal? We’re actually segregated by income, education, race, etc. more than geography, no?


Probably true which makes the self professed coastal elite full of shite
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38577 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 2:16 pm to
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I’m a Coastal Elite

The first rule of being an elite is not to refer to yourself as an elite.
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
8720 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 2:20 pm to
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I see what you mean, but there are wealthy majority white suburbs all over this country. If we start grouping those with the “coastal elite” cities, pretty soon you’ll be taking about a quarter or half of the country’s population.


Chicago in particular is probably a lot more like a coastal city given its size, economic influence, center of academia, center of media, political and demographic history, etc. than virtually every other city not on the coasts.

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Besides, doesn’t your post really illustrate that we aren’t actually divided by coastal vs non-coastal? We’re actually segregated by income, education, race, etc. more than geography, no?


To a degree, I think you're right, but there is definitely an out-sized cultural and political influence and so forth in the hands of places on the coasts - particularly, NYC, DC, LA, and SF/Silicon Valley - as compared to similar people and places elsewhere. Your random wealthy Kansas City guy doesn't have the ear of an NBC executive or a WaPo editor nor does he rub shoulders with a Deputy Secretary of State or CTO at Uber. Different cultures with a different mindset.
This post was edited on 3/19/18 at 2:24 pm
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33146 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 2:22 pm to
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She grew up in Park Ridge, not Effingham. It's a super-nice North Shore suburb that is 95% white with a median household income north of $130,000. It has a lot more in common with New York, DC, and SF than it does with the vast majority of the heartland, even the nice larger cities. She was always an over-achieving suburban dork who tried to play to the masses, and it was the major difference in having that common touch between her and Bill.


And Bill was elected to the presidency because he was (at least at the time) able to relate to middle America.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 2:27 pm to
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DC has one of the worst homicide rates and inner cities in the country.


That was true before real estate skyrocketed 20 years ago, it isn't really anymore.

In 2017 the DC metro area recorded about as many homicides as the entire EBR Parish despite having many more people.
Posted by cahoots
Member since Jan 2009
9134 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 2:27 pm to
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Chicago in particular is probably a lot more like a coastal city given its size, economic influence, center of academia, center of media, political and demographic history, etc. than virtually every other city not on the coasts.



So basically, it’s a big city and geography has nothing to do with it. Hence why “coastal” elite is a silly phrase.

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To a degree, I think you're right, but there is definitely an out-sized cultural and political influence and so forth in the hands of places on the coasts - particularly, NYC, DC, LA, and SF/Silicon Valley - as compared to similar people and places elsewhere. Your random wealthy Kansas City guy doesn't have the ear of an NBC executive or a WaPo editor nor does he rub shoulders with a Deputy Secretary of State or CTO at Uber. Different cultures with a different mindset.


But isn’t that just a function of size? Big cities have bigger economies and bigger market shares. It’s not really out-sized on a per capita basis.
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