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re: if you're poor stop being poor
Posted on 11/15/15 at 9:30 pm to Wasp
Posted on 11/15/15 at 9:30 pm to Wasp
I agree with you but you can't teach that. Since there's no direct solution, only indirect, I think we need change in the latter for lower poverty rates.
I'm trying to think of solutions and that's the best I got.
By indirect I mean that if someone makes it out of poverty, I feel like that person has better chance of keeping his or her children out of poverty.
And I believe that education is one of the stepping stone for that indirect solution
Constructive criticism is welcome
I'm trying to think of solutions and that's the best I got.
By indirect I mean that if someone makes it out of poverty, I feel like that person has better chance of keeping his or her children out of poverty.
And I believe that education is one of the stepping stone for that indirect solution
Constructive criticism is welcome
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Posted on 11/15/15 at 9:34 pm to Paul Allen
It's impossible to say. But your life is made of two things: the choices you make for yourself and the ones others make for you.
I was fortunate, probably like many others here, that my parents pushed me hard to do well. They provided the support I needed. I don't know what would have happened if that weren't the case. But I believe anyone, excluding disability or literally being dragged into something life changing as a child, can find mediocrity in America. You can own a house that you can afford and have the number of children that you can afford and drive a car that you can afford.
I was fortunate, probably like many others here, that my parents pushed me hard to do well. They provided the support I needed. I don't know what would have happened if that weren't the case. But I believe anyone, excluding disability or literally being dragged into something life changing as a child, can find mediocrity in America. You can own a house that you can afford and have the number of children that you can afford and drive a car that you can afford.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 9:38 pm to FunroePete
Once again, no one is disagreeing with you. I am 99.99% certain. But the op wasn't about how to fix. It was about saying there shouldn't be an excuse.
I think there are many things that should change to reduce poverty.
Less complex tax code.
Welfare reform.
More progressive taxes.
Education reform.
Prison reform.
I think there are many things that should change to reduce poverty.
Less complex tax code.
Welfare reform.
More progressive taxes.
Education reform.
Prison reform.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 9:42 pm to Wasp
quote:Not according to the ratio of upvotes/downvotes in earlier posts.
Once again, no one is disagreeing with you. I am 99.99% certain
quote:
But the op wasn't about how to fix. It was about saying there shouldn't be an excuse.
I interjected somewhat and though this would be a good thread for it.
I appreciate your input
Posted on 11/15/15 at 9:53 pm to FunroePete
How about the people we are talking about, clearly the black population in America, stay married and actually have fathers teaching their children how to live life?
Teaching them to not smoke. Teaching them to not get a girl pregnant. Teaching them to go finish and excel at school.
All of the anecdotal stories about people coming from the worst situations tells you that it is possible for the great majority to succeed.
The TRUE and REAL question is how to incentivize the black male population to stop running out on the women the impregnate. That would solve many many problems.
Teaching them to not smoke. Teaching them to not get a girl pregnant. Teaching them to go finish and excel at school.
All of the anecdotal stories about people coming from the worst situations tells you that it is possible for the great majority to succeed.
The TRUE and REAL question is how to incentivize the black male population to stop running out on the women the impregnate. That would solve many many problems.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 9:55 pm to MikeD
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Teaching them to not smoke. Teaching them to not get a girl pregnant. Teaching them to go finish and excel at school.
I betcha teaching has something to do with it
Posted on 11/15/15 at 10:05 pm to danilo
I work on appliances for my customers, people in the ghetto always pay cash. Never checks or cards, so I never turn them down. I condemned this fridge though, I refused to work on it.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 10:16 pm to PurpleNGoldFan
Actually the biggest factor is having married parents. This came out recently.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 10:49 am to FunroePete
There is something went n the cultural side of this issue. There are the same kids going t some of the same public schools that make it beyond poverty.
The government has had their hand in fueling poverty for well over 50 years and the only response is throw more money at it, make more things free.
The actual problems that are the root cause are being ignored and or victimized. People need to be held at a much higher accountability and expectations. Not excused from hard work and effort.
I recognize their are members of our country who cannot fend for themselves and that is what welfare to me is for. The way the system is designed now creates an avenue for failure being ok or laziness. Our entitlement programs need to be overhauled plain and simple.
The government has had their hand in fueling poverty for well over 50 years and the only response is throw more money at it, make more things free.
The actual problems that are the root cause are being ignored and or victimized. People need to be held at a much higher accountability and expectations. Not excused from hard work and effort.
I recognize their are members of our country who cannot fend for themselves and that is what welfare to me is for. The way the system is designed now creates an avenue for failure being ok or laziness. Our entitlement programs need to be overhauled plain and simple.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 10:53 am to Napoleon
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Why is there milk in the freezer?
Posted on 11/16/15 at 11:03 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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If you're poor after the age of 30 or so, it's your fault.
how do you define "poor"?
Posted on 11/16/15 at 11:05 am to WG_Dawg
govt assistance
Posted on 11/16/15 at 11:16 am to danilo
Its a conscious choice. We have a secretary at work, biggest pos i know. Always begging for money, $5 here, $10 there, yet she eats mcdonalds or burger king every day. Got in a wreck a few months ago, sued and got 10k. She bought a 10k car and has been driving for about 5 months with no registration, plate, or insurance because she cant afford the taxes or some shite. Took out a loan to get 3 new iPhone 6 pluses for her, her 11 year old son and her ex-boyfriend. I could literally go on and on and on.
People want to live large and be successful without having to work for it. They buy things they cant afford instead of saving up money for emergencies or to better themselves. shite, for example: my boy just finished trade school for NDT. Makes $28 an hour no a few months later, the school was only like $2k. Much better investment than 3 iphones imo...
People want to live large and be successful without having to work for it. They buy things they cant afford instead of saving up money for emergencies or to better themselves. shite, for example: my boy just finished trade school for NDT. Makes $28 an hour no a few months later, the school was only like $2k. Much better investment than 3 iphones imo...
Posted on 11/16/15 at 11:20 am to yellowfin
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govt assistance
phew, made the cut. Not poor.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 11:22 am to yellowfin
quote:this
govt assistance
between pell grants, loans, scholarships, i think one should be able to get a four year degree or trade school (which is probably the better route).
Posted on 11/16/15 at 11:25 am to yellowfin
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Every single poor person is that way because of one or multiple bad decisions in their life
Or the bad decisions their parents made. There are a lot of people who could've gone the poor and/or trashy route if it wasn't for their parents. You can sometimes look at a kid, then their parents and know that, that kid doesn't have a chance.
Outside of parents, its the company they keep. If all you do is hang around with lazy people who complain all the time, then you also will be a lazy person that complains all the time.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 11:29 am to FunroePete
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then what is it?
People too damn selfish to plan for their children's future. Every single time they buy cigarettes, high priced shoes, hair "products", etc. they are throwing away money that could be saved to fund a move to a better place, more reliable means of transportation to a job, college for their kid. That isn't even mentioning the parents not being around often bc the dad was just the guy that happen to be at the house one night after the club.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 12:04 pm to PurpleNGoldFan
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Number one indicator is the financial success of parents.
My parents were broke as hell when we were growing up. Didn't have a car at some points and when we did it was fairly unreliable.
I'm doing very well for myself now.
Being born into a bad situation doesn't relinquish you to a minimum wage job your entire life.
I'll start feeling sorry for "poor" people when they aren't on their brand new iPhone in front of their new TV or walking around in Jordans.
Poor in America is far beyond first class In a lot of places.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 12:24 pm to LSU8654722
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You can sometimes look at a kid, then their parents and know that, that kid doesn't have a chance.
I don't think you can say any kid doesn't have a chance, sure some will have a tougher road to success but with hard work it's still attainable
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