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re: If you aren't majoring in Computer Science in college, you are wasting your time
Posted on 4/10/22 at 11:52 am to hikingfan
Posted on 4/10/22 at 11:52 am to hikingfan
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Median pay in tech jobs: Snap: $327,710 Google (Alphabet): $295,884 Facebook (Meta): $292,785
For every person working at one of these companies, there’s 150 working a help desk somewhere else.
This post was edited on 4/10/22 at 11:53 am
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Posted on 4/10/22 at 11:56 am to hikingfan
I disagree. Computer science is moving to WFH and will be easier to outsource to India. Also, AI and SaaS will replace most of those jobs in 15 years. I am seeing a lack of willingness to invest the proper amount of resources into building secure well thought-out applications. It's all a race to the bottom. Even Microsoft is doing it.
This post was edited on 4/10/22 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 4/10/22 at 11:57 am to hikingfan
The people driving up that median income level are the types that would be pulling in those kind of numbers with whatever they decided to go into.
Posted on 4/10/22 at 12:21 pm to BeepNode
India is only able to fulfill a small percentage of demand as only a thin layer of their market is actually qualified enough to get hired. The US is still a prime market. SAAS has been around 10 plus years and AI for 5 and I don’t see either replacing engineers anytime soon. I disagree it’s a race to the bottom. I think we’re scratching the surface of what is possible and the future very much includes humans building tech. I expect the US to lead that front as we always have
Posted on 4/10/22 at 12:23 pm to hikingfan
I'm going back in august to study IT\networking
Posted on 4/10/22 at 12:24 pm to Cymry Teigr
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The people driving up that median income level are the types that would be pulling in those kind of numbers with whatever they decided to go into.
This. And I doubt more than 30% are CS majors and more than half are even engineers. It takes engineers, marketers, sales ppl, finance, back-office folks - the works to scale these companies and a google will try and hire the best across these disciplines
Posted on 4/10/22 at 12:32 pm to Old Hellen Yeller
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For every person working at one of these companies, there’s 150 working a help desk somewhere else.
The FAANG (Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Netflix and Google) are great employers but I’m not sure they’re THE premier names they used to be. Candidates are drawn towards smaller companies and crypto and AI/ML type startups vs the bureaucracy at these companies. In a sense a lot of what these companies are doing isn’t as exciting except maybe google but even there most products don’t pan out in market. Still huge names but there are many many others now
This post was edited on 4/10/22 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 4/10/22 at 12:34 pm to hikingfan
College is a waste of time with the internet.
Posted on 4/10/22 at 12:42 pm to 21JumpStreet
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College is a waste of time with the internet
Unfortunately many employers still have a degree requirement but I do think we should rethink how we deliver higher education in many cases. I believe for many careers we'd be better served having people attend some sort of 2 yr degree focused education/technical training coupled with an internship or apprenticeship.
The 4 year university model has gotten too expensive and we saddle a lot of young people with mountains of debt when they are just getting started in life.
Posted on 4/10/22 at 12:55 pm to fallguy_1978
A 4 year college degree is more a barrier to entry vs training for skills needed to succeed. It tests your ability to get through a regimented program, stay focused, recover from mistakes and collaborate with others. Performance in college is not always a predictor of success because grades are the only real measurement. Not saying you can’t get the same out of a 2 year experience or even without college but I don’t see college as a measure of just pure technical training
Posted on 4/10/22 at 1:18 pm to fallguy_1978
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Unfortunately many employers still have a degree requirement but I do think we should rethink how we deliver higher education in many cases. I believe for many careers we'd be better served having people attend some sort of 2 yr degree focused education/technical training coupled with an internship or apprenticeship.
The 4 year university model has gotten too expensive and we saddle a lot of young people with mountains of debt when they are just getting started in life.
I think it depends on the degree. Mechanical engineering? You probably need at least four years, if not five. General Studies? Two or three years would be sufficient.
Posted on 4/10/22 at 2:39 pm to DomincDecoco
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dude youre talking about MIT types.
This
Posted on 4/10/22 at 5:37 pm to lsufan1971
Soooo you wanted to pay him 35% less but you were trying to sell him on the standard of living.....and LA wonders why it can't keep him or other highly educated people here.
Posted on 4/10/22 at 9:03 pm to siliconvalleytiger
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The FAANG (Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Netflix and Google) are great employers
Amazon.. a great employer?
For most it's just paying dues until you're burned out and can use that on your resume to get something better. Amazon pays well, but is not a good place to work for IMO.
It's a big organization so I'm sure there's some good teams here and there, but it's nowhere as heralded of a workplace as Google, Apple, Facebook, etc. I hate all those companies but admit they treat their American in-house employees well in addition to paying them well.
Posted on 4/12/22 at 6:23 pm to texag7
Nah, never actually did accounting work. Got into finance at a tech company you probably heard of. Took an interest in the operation and put the two together, now I'm doing work that people will pay for.
Posted on 4/12/22 at 6:57 pm to hikingfan
What i saw in college and have seen quite a few times is guys go get these degrees thinking that is gonna get them a job where they are conquering the world only to find out, the ceiling is pretty low on income
Posted on 4/12/22 at 7:14 pm to hikingfan
ehhh.
First of all, this must be the median for those IT companies in California. I know very talented very certified very experienced IT peers who take jobs at Amazon, Google, Facebook, and Microsoft and they aren’t being paid that.
Also,
they might say you can WFH fulltime but you had better ask some other employees how that works before you get excited.
Second. You can’t think of Google, Microsoft, Amazon, Facebook as normal employers. They aren’t. Attrition is irrelevant to them. In fact they aim to process the vast majority of their employees within 3-5 years. They will pay you like no one else can and they will burn you the frick out. You’ll leave and it’ll be a great set of bullet points on your resume, but you aren’t staying whether, voluntary or involuntary.
First of all, this must be the median for those IT companies in California. I know very talented very certified very experienced IT peers who take jobs at Amazon, Google, Facebook, and Microsoft and they aren’t being paid that.
Also,
they might say you can WFH fulltime but you had better ask some other employees how that works before you get excited. Second. You can’t think of Google, Microsoft, Amazon, Facebook as normal employers. They aren’t. Attrition is irrelevant to them. In fact they aim to process the vast majority of their employees within 3-5 years. They will pay you like no one else can and they will burn you the frick out. You’ll leave and it’ll be a great set of bullet points on your resume, but you aren’t staying whether, voluntary or involuntary.
Posted on 4/12/22 at 7:43 pm to hikingfan
Does the source say what % of those jobs are technical vs. project mgmt? Every top-tier MBA those companies hire is at or over those numbers within a few years.
Posted on 4/13/22 at 3:47 am to Klark Kent
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Second. You can’t think of Google, Microsoft, Amazon, Facebook as normal employers. They aren’t. Attrition is irrelevant to them. In fact they aim to process the vast majority of their employees within 3-5 years. They will pay you like no one else can and they will burn you the frick out. You’ll leave and it’ll be a great set of bullet points on your resume, but you aren’t staying whether, voluntary or involuntary.
Yeah none of that is true except the bullet points
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