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re: If you aren't majoring in Computer Science in college, you are wasting your time
Posted on 4/9/22 at 6:25 pm to fallguy_1978
Posted on 4/9/22 at 6:25 pm to fallguy_1978
quote:If I were magically in a position to do it, I'd hire software developers to be wage slaves, but I'd hire passionate history majors for management, every time.
We make them take history 1001 and other crap they'll never use in life to go be a software developer. It's asinine.
The older I get, and the more I see, the more I think History and Literature are the two most under-rated and under-valued things to study.
Saying that as a STEM graduate from a highly regarded school, with a career in bench science, computation, and HPC.
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Posted on 4/9/22 at 6:26 pm to SG_Geaux
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Looking back, I would have been better off going to a 2yr technical college and then jumping into the workforce to get experience rather than do 4.5 yrs of college.
That's what I did. There are ups and downs. Nobody takes the tech college diploma seriously, so actually getting a network admin job is tough.
My tech college had a Cisco academy for computer networking. 5 semesters. Did that, but didn't get my CCNA. ~2 years later and I got my foot in the door in a call center for an ISP. From there, I advanced quickly. I went from part time call center rep to senior network engineering in 8 years. Another down side: upward mobility. I might be able to snag a low-lev management job as my last advancement, but people want management experience and/or college degrees for management. I've kinda hit a wall at where I work. Weird spot in my career where I may have to move on to a bigger company, or get some business training or a degree, to continue to grow my career.
This post was edited on 4/9/22 at 6:30 pm
Posted on 4/9/22 at 6:26 pm to MusclesofBrussels
Yeah. Most I know that work there tell me its best to make manager and then bail out to a more reasonable schedule.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 6:28 pm to LegendInMyMind
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You understand that everyone can't do computer science or have a tech job, right?
that would mean no one does computer science, absolutely no one.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 6:37 pm to fallguy_1978
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We make them take history 1001 and other crap they'll never use in life to go be a software developer. It's asinine.
We need trade school and university educations.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 6:39 pm to fallguy_1978
quote:This post garnered a bunch of DVs, but my conversations with IT employers bear it out as well. It would be interesting to see if the jobs the OP cites actually require a CS degree.
College is mostly a waste of time for IT jobs.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 6:43 pm to hikingfan
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Median pay in tech jobs:
Snap: $327,710
Google (Alphabet): $295,884
Facebook (Meta): $292,785
All the more reason for public schools to teach computer science so that underserved populations have a chance at these jobs.
Because software companies on the west coast pay well, everyone should go to school for computer science.
Are you under the impression that every single person that works for these companies majored in computer science, or even got a college degree?
It’s seriously painful to witness the inability to apply logic that is on display daily on this board.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 6:44 pm to hikingfan
CS degrees are worthless for most jobs
Time and time again I have had applicants for coding jobs from kids fresh out of UT or some other school, and they hardly know a damn thing
They are taught by professors who haven’t worked in the real world in ages, and they lack the skills needed for the job
I don’t give a frick about a degree when hiring a front end/back end/full stack developer. I just want to see what they can accomplish
Time and time again I have had applicants for coding jobs from kids fresh out of UT or some other school, and they hardly know a damn thing
They are taught by professors who haven’t worked in the real world in ages, and they lack the skills needed for the job
I don’t give a frick about a degree when hiring a front end/back end/full stack developer. I just want to see what they can accomplish
Posted on 4/9/22 at 6:50 pm to fallguy_1978
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worked in IT for 23-24 years.
Its not the same as it was for people getting into IT now as it was in the 90’s. Ppl with their certs are a dime a dozen now.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 7:03 pm to hikingfan
frick that, go into tech sales. Cleared $300k last year and had a blast doing it. Job is fun as frick and you can live anywhere.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 7:16 pm to hikingfan
How many attended LSU’s comp sci program
Posted on 4/9/22 at 7:21 pm to LoneStarRanger
quote:Any given degree is worthless for most jobs, when judged for its trade school value. Does that mean that a University education is worthless?
CS degrees are worthless for most jobs
This post was edited on 4/9/22 at 7:22 pm
Posted on 4/9/22 at 7:27 pm to DomincDecoco
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dude your talking about MIT types.
Lol no. Plenty of kids from far less prestigious universities like UCSB.
Snap, Google, Facebook and tech in general wouldn’t be able to staff their companies if they only hired from places like MIT.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 7:46 pm to Grateful Reb
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frick that, go into tech sales. Cleared $300k last year and had a blast doing it. Job is fun as frick and you can live anywhere.
Can confirm. Although during times of famine it can suck.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 7:56 pm to hikingfan
It’s probably the most under rated degree. I’m a retard when it comes to computers or maybe I’d have done it
Posted on 4/9/22 at 8:03 pm to Kraut Dawg
quote:jealous and poor.
Want to guarantee your degree is worthless in a decade? Get one in computer science. Know your stuff and earn certs every three years keeps you relevant.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 8:31 pm to NoSaint
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And with remote access many don’t have to work in San Francisco full time
All three of the companies listed have returned to the office on at least a hybrid basis, and most are re-baselining salaries based on location.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 8:36 pm to fallguy_1978
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My issue is that we educate our kids in the most expensive way possible with very little benefit to the kid. We make them take history 1001 and other crap they'll never use in life to go be a software developer. It's asinine.
Eh…I think history 1001 is very relevant to being an educated person overall. But I also think that history 1001 can be taught just as well at BRCC or UNO as at Pepperdine or SMU, despite tuition being a fraction of the cost.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 9:05 pm to hikingfan
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All the more reason for public schools to teach computer science so that underserved populations have a chance at these jobs.
This is a sure fire tell the writer has never worked with kids at poor schools. A ton of them can’t read, but I’m sure if they just took some objected oriented programming course, they’d be good to go.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 9:09 pm to ChickennBiscuits
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Eh…I think history 1001 is very relevant to being an educated person overall. But I also think that history 1001 can be taught just as well at BRCC or UNO as at Pepperdine or SMU, despite tuition being a fraction of the cost.
If you are interested in history go read about it.
Go look at a student loan thread about people begging to get out of their 80k loans for their accounting degree. They didn't need to take half of those classes.
They should have gone to some accounting/business school for a few years with some sort of apprenticeship. They'd have been more versed in their field at a lower cost. Education is broken in this country and it starts with how many kids we are sending to 4 year universities who don't need it.
This post was edited on 4/9/22 at 9:12 pm
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