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re: If masks are the difference in possibly contracting COVID and possibly infecting others...
Posted on 1/14/21 at 10:10 am to LSU316
Posted on 1/14/21 at 10:10 am to LSU316
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So now we are going to expect people to handle their masks similar to how scientists in a BSL-4 lab would?
Is it so hard to walk to your car, sanitize your hands, remove it by the EAR LOOPS, and hang it on the coat hook in your car? It's really not. I do it all the time.
Yes, there are absolutely proper methods for handling something that you put on your face repeatedly in the midst of a pandemic. Sorry to hear you're such a stiff that you can't be bothered to keep shite clean. I can tell you don't work in any environment that requires a high level of cleanliness.
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Posted on 1/14/21 at 10:11 am to The Spleen
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It's mind boggling we're almost a year into this and people still don't understand the situation. Granted, the communication has been sloppy at times, but the communicable disease doctors have been fairly consistent from the start
Eh, except for the early torpedo of the CDC NOT recommending them, and putting out they just don't work.
It's also a math problem that hasn't been explained well, that at the population level even something that is only even slightly effective can have can a huge impact in exponential growth. (Max Rt of 2.2 vs 2.0 is a huge as far as the population goes, and that's if the mask policy is sitting at about 10% effective).
Then, I'm not sure who the first tribe to politicize it was, but it caused an allergic reaction on the other side to immediately oppose it at all costs.
As it stands Rt is hanging either slightly above 1 or sligthly below 1 depending on if we're on an upswing or downswing - well below what is considered to be the "Let it rip" R0 of 2.5 or so. What's causing it to spread somewhat manageably, even in places of "uncontrolled spead" - that's for future scientists to work through.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 10:12 am to Centinel
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I've been told that I'm safe if I wear my mask from entering the building until I sit down.
You are at greater risk ANYWHERE you spend considerable time in a single spot around the same people.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 10:12 am to S1C EM
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Is it so hard to walk to your car, sanitize your hands, remove it by the EAR LOOPS, and hang it on the coat hook in your car? It's really not. I do it all the time.
No it's not.....but to expect 330 million people in the USA to do that....yea good luck.
Of the people that wear masks you'll maybe get 10% of them that do it right like you suggest.
Now if doing it wrong is enough of a hinderance then calling for the mask wearing is doing even more than not helping...it is hurting.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 10:13 am to Dizz
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A majority of people are contracting COVID from gatherings where they don't have their mask on.
Guess you missed the CDC study proving this false.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 10:16 am to RedShirt
Masks are demonstrably ineffective. Look at a graph of cases for any state that put up a mask mandate and look at a graph for any neighboring state that didn’t set a mandate. They are the same graph, every time.
No mask or low mask countries like Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway, and hell even Sweden have far fewer cases than the rest of Western Europe and America that have mandated masks from the beginning.
Mask mandates are purely to make the powers at be look like they are doing “something”.
No mask or low mask countries like Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway, and hell even Sweden have far fewer cases than the rest of Western Europe and America that have mandated masks from the beginning.
Mask mandates are purely to make the powers at be look like they are doing “something”.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 10:18 am to RedShirt
The masks don't even cover the shape shifting lizard peoples mouth fully.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 10:21 am to LSU316
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IF 80%+ of people in Louisiana are wearing masks
They aren't. And for those that are, at least 50% wear or handle them incorrectly. We've already established that based on your own response.
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AND More people are getting COVID now than anytime during the Pandemic
Between Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Year's, what is happening is EXACTLY what was expected.
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THEN Masks don't work.
Nothing is 100%. Masks in combination with social distancing, hand washing, etc. DO reduce risk.
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That is common sense...simple.
Nothing you said made any sense at all to anyone able to actually think logically about it, but okay.
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If you're going to tell me that I'm more likely to contract COVID from sitting at my In-Laws house eating dinner
Depends on what your in-laws do when you aren't around them. Are you really this fricking stupid?
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WalMart
If you go in, get what you need, and get out, you will likely spend less than 15 minutes in the store. You are constantly moving, not staying within the presence of the same people for any extended period of time. If you stand over the meat counter for 30 minutes, then that's on you. Everyone in the store doesn't have COVID. Your likelihood of actually finding the few people who do and then following them around for more than 15 minutes is very LOW.
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church, or fricking Chili's
I've already established that these two places can be hotbeds. One local church to me currently has an active outbreak taking place and their pastor on a vent. And I'm sure they aren't the only one.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 10:22 am to BRIllini07
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Eh, except for the early torpedo of the CDC NOT recommending them, and putting out they just don't work.
I get that, and that's why I included my comment that messaging has been sloppy at times. Still, the messaging has been fairly consistent from the CDC since late April or May - wear a mask, limit social gatherings, and social distance yourself. The message hasn't been that that would prevent you from getting it, but that it would reduce the chances of you getting it.
They also warned that holiday gatherings would cause a spike. Well, we saw a spike after Memorial Day, Thanksgiving, and now Christmas.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 10:26 am to S1C EM
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You are at greater risk ANYWHERE you spend considerable time in a single spot around the same people.
Your issue is that you focus solely on risk, and not the severity of that risk.
Yes, I'm more at risk where I spend time in a single spot.
So fricking what?
This post was edited on 1/14/21 at 10:28 am
Posted on 1/14/21 at 10:27 am to S1C EM
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They aren't.
In that last 3 months I've spent significant time in Lafayette, BR, and NOLA....pretty much all over South LA. There is at least 80% mask wearing when I go into stores, restaurants, and other businesses...so yes they are.
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Nothing is 100%. Masks in combination with social distancing, hand washing, etc. DO reduce risk.
That's not what our leaders are telling us. They are telling us masks are the one and only smoking gun for COVID. quote:
Nothing you said made any sense at all to anyone able to actually think logically about it, but okay.
I'm beginning to suspect that you are a 0 common sense person....do you know which direction is north when you walk outside in any circumstance? What about when you are inside?
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Depends on what your in-laws do when you aren't around them.
This has little to do with anything....I can't control what any other adult does with their life...same as you can't. I can control myself.
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If you go in, get what you need, and get out, you will likely spend less than 15 minutes in the store.
My family spends upwards of 200-300 a week on groceries....you can't get that in 15 minutes hoss.
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I've already established that these two places can be hotbeds.
How the frick can you say that family gatherings have the most risk of spread then????
After all this I've concluded that you have 0 clue what you are talking about and should not be relied upon for information....in fact people should do what they do for 99% of posters on this board...simply ignore you.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 10:38 am to LSU316
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No it's not.....but to expect 330 million people in the USA to do that....yea good luck.
My friend, I DON'T expect that. I'm simply explaining to you the myth of "masks do nothing". They are at least somewhat effective, but they are far less effective because of how people who say they "wear a mask" actually handle them. Period.
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Of the people that wear masks you'll maybe get 10% of them that do it right like you suggest.
I am in no disagreement. I'm in that 10%, but it helps greatly to be semi-OCD and married to a medical professional.
Again, the question was asked why COVID rates are up when mask use is up. COVID rates are up largely because PROPER mask use is almost non-existent. The current acute increase is largely because of holiday gatherings where people did not mask up at all. It will taper off and start to decline around late February if I had to guess.Posted on 1/14/21 at 10:42 am to LSU316
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Now if doing it wrong is enough of a hinderance then calling for the mask wearing is doing even more than not helping...it is hurting.
Was going to add, but hit "submit" too soon. You might be right on this. We really have no way of knowing. All I can be responsible for is me and I do it right 99% of the time. My wife is probably about the same and has worked up multiple COVID patients in exam rooms who they didn't know were COVID patients at the time (found at after being notified through contact tracing when the patients would go in for dialysis). She is masked and they are masked (and they enforce proper wearing; no chin straps) and so far, she hasn't gotten it. She's vaccinated now, so hopefully she never will.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 10:44 am to S1C EM
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The current acute increase is largely because of holiday gatherings where people did not mask up at all.
You try so hard to get some credibility back and then this happens.....again show me the data on this compared to spread from Walmart, church, Chili's, etc.....I'm guessing you wouldn't like what you see.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 10:48 am to Centinel
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Your issue is that you focus solely on risk, and not the severity of that risk.
Yes, I'm more at risk where I spend time in a single spot.
So fricking what?
I am absolutely focusing on EXACTLY the severity of risk. Your risk of contracting COVID while making a quick in-and-out in Walmart is drastically lower than if you are seated in a restaurant by other tables of people for an hour or more. It has EVERYTHING to do with exposure time and viral load. The quick in-and-out trip doesn't offer you enough exposure to take in the viral load needed for infection. Sitting in that restaurant is hit or miss. I'm sure 90% of the time, you'll be fine. Again, MOST people do not have COVID. But you have no way to know what the people at any of the tables around you are doing in their own time and whether or not any of them are sick.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 10:55 am to S1C EM
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I am absolutely focusing on EXACTLY the severity of risk. Your risk of contracting COVID while making a quick in-and-out in Walmart is drastically lower than if you are seated in a restaurant by other tables of people for an hour or more. It has EVERYTHING to do with exposure time and viral load. The quick in-and-out trip doesn't offer you enough exposure to take in the viral load needed for infection. Sitting in that restaurant is hit or miss. I'm sure 90% of the time, you'll be fine. Again, MOST people do not have COVID. But you have no way to know what the people at any of the tables around you are doing in their own time and whether or not any of them are sick.
Again, so fricking what? The virus doesn't do dick to 99% of the people out there, aside from some sniffles.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 10:57 am to RedShirt
Considering that it has been proven that there is no such thing as asymptomatic spread, I'm not sure why anyone that is healthy is wearing a mask anymore.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 11:02 am to LSU316
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In that last 3 months I've spent significant time in Lafayette, BR, and NOLA....pretty much all over South LA. There is at least 80% mask wearing when I go into stores, restaurants, and other businesses...so yes they are.
Again, you've already said most of them probably aren't handling their PPE in the most sanitary way possible. I'm not sure what more you want.
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That's not what our leaders are telling us. They are telling us masks are the one and only smoking gun for COVID.
I have heard no one in our state make this claim. I don't mislead anyone on this being a multi-faceted approach to mitigating risk. No, masks are not even remotely close to a "be all, end all". That is not and never has been my argument.
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I'm beginning to suspect that you are a 0 common sense person....do you know which direction is north when you walk outside in any circumstance? What about when you are inside?
You serious, Clark?
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This has little to do with anything....I can't control what any other adult does with their life...same as you can't. I can control myself.
What does you controlling what they do have anything to do with how much risk they pose to you? This is not rocket science. If your in-laws are eating out inside of restaurants daily and you hang out with them for an extended period of time on a regular basis, your risk of contracting COVID is higher than people who are not spending this same time in the household of people who do not live with them. This isn't hard, man.
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My family spends upwards of 200-300 a week on groceries....you can't get that in 15 minutes hoss.
Well first, most of what I get I do curbside now. I have three kids and we start out every week with 7-8 gallons of milk.
But even when I don't, I know what I need, where it is, and yes, I'm in and out. You can spend an hour in the store if you want. As long as you are moving around and not hanging around the same strangers everywhere you go, you should be fine. The cumulative amount of time that has been stated as the cutoff point for you to be exposed to a COVID-positive person before you've taken in the viral load necessary to make you sick is ~15 minutes. Obviously, there are variables. Are we talking about an asymptomatic person talking to you? Or someone sneezing in your general direction inside of 10 feet? But on average, you would need to be around a sick person for ~15 minutes to become sick. quote:
How the frick can you say that family gatherings have the most risk of spread then????
After all this I've concluded that you have 0 clue what you are talking about and should not be relied upon for information....in fact people should do what they do for 99% of posters on this board...simply ignore you.
Buddy, I don't know what to tell you. It is NOT a coincidence that following Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Year's that we have the highest number of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths that we've had since this started. People gathering in small spaces, unmaksed, for extended periods of time without any knowledge of what the other people in the room have been doing for the last week is a major risk. Just about ANY medical professional will tell you this. But you keep getting your information and advice from rednecks on Facebook. It's your choice.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 11:04 am to BobLeeDagger
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The biggest mistake made during this whole pandemic was this notion that a mask absolves you from all other precautions.
Literally no one that knows what they are talking about ever said that.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 11:06 am to FutureMikeVIII
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Literally no one that knows what they are talking about ever said that.
And it's completely irrelevant to the reality that what he said is 100% true for the public.
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