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re: Idaho Murders Thread (Links inside)
Posted on 1/7/23 at 2:01 pm to Epic Cajun
Posted on 1/7/23 at 2:01 pm to Epic Cajun
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IMO it’s irrelevant in regards to the outcome of the case
It is.
But alot of people that are Crime Junkies and follow stuff like this do it because they are interested in the human mind and why/how people become serial killers, murderers, etc. At least I am.
So myself and assume many others that are trying to figure out why she didn't call the cops are just curious about and interested in her mindset and reason for her actions after seeing him.
Everybody needs to just let people discuss what they want to discuss. It's not hurting anyone unless you are being retarded like baldona and giving people a headache.
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 2:02 pm
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 2:05 pm to berrycajun
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Would Dylan seeing him IN the house be considered direct evidence?
Based on what was in the affidavit, I don't think Dylan would testify that she saw Bryan Kohberger in the house. It doesn't sound like she'd be able to make a positive ID based on what Bryan is described as wearing (plus it may have been dark in the house, Dylan may have been drinking, etc.).
They have so much other evidence that there's no reason to ask Dylan to testify that the person she saw is the defendant. Too easy for the defense to pick apart that testimony.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 2:05 pm to berrycajun
quote:That makes it easier to attack her as a witness.
I don’t think so considering the defense atty is a woman
quote:objection overruled. They will ask her how much she had to drink, any drugs she took, her history of taking drugs, etc.
So they say She’s not credible because she was high or drunk or whatever? Objection you don’t know that.
Of course the prosecutor doesn't get much out of it outside of a guy with bushy eyebrows. Even that will be questioned based on the lighting, etc.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 2:12 pm to mmcgrath
I hope she says "Maybe I could recognize him NOW if I drank a beer, and he would go put the clothes on that he wore when he kilt them."
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 1/7/23 at 2:13 pm to berrycajun
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If the prosecutor doesn’t bring her into it too much then she won’t need to be questioned too much. What is the defense going to say?
The defense will call her to the stand for questioning. She is in the affidavit that secured BK’s arrest. They have nothing to lose. Sadly for her, she will be forced to relive that night with cameras and reporters and internet sleuths present and won’t be able to work towards any sort of closure for quite some time, if ever.
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So they say She’s not credible because she was high or drunk or whatever? Objection you don’t know that. Or maybe they do if they talked to people she hung out with that night. Ok but since when does being high make you make up seeing a man you don’t recognize in your house?
Inebriation will be heavily looked at by the defense. I am uncertain if toxicology reports can pinpoint what was in her system that night, given that it was a few months ago. Also, depending on what she may have been high on, hallucinations are not to be ruled out by the defense.
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This girl is telling the truth and the truth doesn’t make her look good. Poor thing :( For her OWN sake she would have been better off lying, but for her friends’ sakes, she told the truth
I agree with this.
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Whether she was high etc or not. She saw a man. A man she didn’t recognize at the same time there was video footage and ring cameras etc.
Again, if it could be proved she was heavily intoxicated, the defense will have a field day with her. It’s sad as hell for that girl.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 2:20 pm to berrycajun
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I don’t think so considering the defense atty is a woman
What? Young girl is gonna get hammered by the defense. Even if the prosecution has this case locked up.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 2:24 pm to NATidefan
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So myself and assume many others that are trying to figure out why she didn't call the cops are just curious about and interested in her mindset and reason for her actions after seeing him
I don’t really see her actions as out of the ordinary. Fear affects everyone differently. Remember it’s 4:15 ish in the morning. You’ve been woken out of a deep sleep and you’re hearing things with no context as to why you’re hearing them. Crying in a house full of girls doesn’t automatically register in your brain as someone being murdered. Neither do loud noises in a house full of college students on the weekend. Seeing a masked stranger in the dark walk past you and out the door would certainly creep you out or frighten you, but again there are lots of random guys leaving houses early in the morning after drunken hookups on college campuses. It’s a fact of life. It happens. College students also sleep in. Not seeing or hearing your roommates at 9 or 10 am on a Sunday doesn’t mean you automatically assume they’ve all been slaughtered. Eventually though something aroused their suspicion. Probably not hearing anything in the house such as a bathroom flushing or a shower and getting no response to texts. Dog might have been barking and they began to wonder why no one was paying it any attention
Posted on 1/7/23 at 2:26 pm to Sl0thstronautEsq
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They have so much other evidence that there's no reason to ask Dylan to testify that the person she saw is the defendant. Too easy for the defense to pick apart that testimony.
Exactly why the defense will call her if the prosecution doesn't.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 2:30 pm to Chief Hinge
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Inebriation will be heavily looked at by the defense. I am uncertain if toxicology reports can pinpoint what was in her system that night, given that it was a few months ago. Also, depending on what she may have been high on, hallucinations are not to be ruled out by the defense.
Dude, you honestly think the defense is entitled to drug test her or get some sort of toxicology from the survivor? Yeah, not possible. She has no obligation to provide them with shite.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 2:36 pm to NATidefan
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But alot of people that are Crime Junkies and follow stuff like this do it because they are interested in the human mind
Exactly. My favorite genre has been mystery since I was little. This entire scenario leaves so many questions.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 2:38 pm to LSUintheNW
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Exactly why the defense will call her if the prosecution doesn't.
Of course, I'm just saying that I don't think she'll testify that she saw Bryan that night. She'll just testify that she saw someone roughly the same height/build as Bryan.
The defense will obviously poke holes in that account and try to ensure the jury doesn't find her credible, but based on all the other evidence the prosecution has, I don't think it really matters.
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 1/7/23 at 2:42 pm to LSUFAITHFUL
quote:If the prosecution has it they have to turn it over. Plus she will be under oath to answer such questions. If she lies her credibility goes out the door.
Dude, you honestly think the defense is entitled to drug test her or get some sort of toxicology from the survivor? Yeah, not possible. She has no obligation to provide them with shite.
Even beyond any intoxication, she went to sleep. Chances are her recollection could be affected by her unconscious mind while dreaming, basically filling in any blanks in what she witnessed. At least the defense could make that argument.
The key evidence is the DNA on the sheath of the knife. The prosection is going to have to prove that he owned such a knife and that no one in the house did.
ETA: The cops may have gotten a tox screen on her in the beginning as she was a potential suspect / key witnessed.
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 1/7/23 at 2:43 pm to Sl0thstronautEsq
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I'm just saying that I don't think she'll testify that she saw Bryan that night. She'll just testify that she saw someone roughly the same height/build as Bryan.
Of course otherwise she'd be lying which will make what's going to be a hot seat that much hotter. And possibly on camera for the world to see.
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The defense will obviously poke holes in that account and try to ensure the jury doesn't find her credible, but based on all the other evidence the prosecution has, I don't think it really matters.
It won't matter it'll just be good practice tearing down a witness.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 2:45 pm to LSUFAITHFUL
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Dude, you honestly think the defense is entitled to drug test her or get some sort of toxicology from the survivor? Yeah, not possible. She has no obligation to provide them with shite.
Morally it sounds wrong. But legally, yes, they have the absolute right to look into whether she was or wasn’t intoxicated at the time. Her statement is in the affidavit that secured his arrest. They will attempt to poke holes in every aspect of that affidavit. I would put money on her being called to the stand during the trial.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 2:45 pm to mmcgrath
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If the prosecution has it they have to turn it over
How often do witnesses like her take a toxicology test?
Posted on 1/7/23 at 2:53 pm to LSUintheNW
quote:Not often. She would have had to agree to take one. More likely she just admitted to everything she took or drank the night before. Like I said, the fact that she went to sleep after such a scary encounter could cloud her recollection as much as any drugs or alcohol.
How often do witnesses like her take a toxicology test?
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 1/7/23 at 2:57 pm to LSUintheNW
The defense will undoubtably try to discredit her due to drowsiness, intoxication, possible drugs. That’s all fine and well. Their problem is this “unreliable intoxicated, hallucinating” witness had no idea that multiple murders had just occurred yet still saw a masked stranger leaving the house at the exact time that fits the timeline of the crime.
So……it’s still problematic and will definitely stick in some jurors minds as the prosecution lays out their case piece by piece by piece. No one piece may be enough on it’s own but they will no doubt build a case that’ll be very tough to deny.
So……it’s still problematic and will definitely stick in some jurors minds as the prosecution lays out their case piece by piece by piece. No one piece may be enough on it’s own but they will no doubt build a case that’ll be very tough to deny.
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 1/7/23 at 3:02 pm to mmcgrath
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She would have had to agree to take one.
Very doubtful then unless she has the mental capacity of Bryan who gives his phone # away during a routine traffic stop. Which ironically made it easier for the police to check his records.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 3:04 pm to geauxjo
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No one piece may be enough on it’s own but they will no doubt build a case that’ll be very tough to deny.
If there's DNA in his car it's over. I just hope it's leaked so we know before trial.
I feel like it's over already. Folks in Idaho will want to bury him....literally.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 3:13 pm to Chief Hinge
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. I am uncertain if toxicology reports can pinpoint what was in her system that night, given that it was a few months ago.
Why is this line of questioning even a discussion? The police were called and discovered a quadruple homicide. They didn’t turn around and then make the roommates do a field sobriety test or submit blood samples for a toxicology report. To even suggest they did is asinine. Instead of speculating at the possibility of her toxicology report being used against her in court, just stop. There is no toxicology report for the surviving roommates. There wasn’t a need for one.
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