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Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:46 am to
Posted by BayouNation
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:46 am to
Just announced on fox news Xana and Ethan were the first ones killed.
Posted by Shaun176
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:54 am to
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What is y’all’s theory of why a police plane would be circling BK’s parents house 2.5 hours after they arrested him?



Spoof cell signal to see who parents call or watch to see if they discard evidence
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:59 am to
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See he had an account on FB called "pappa rodger" and "insidelooking/userdark145" on reddit


Ok so someone took the time to put BK’s research study questions from DeSales Uni side by side with the Pappa Rodgers questions in the FB group. The similarities are uncanny in post after post. For those unfamiliar the research was to gain insight into what drives and motivates criminal behavior.

I didn’t think I could get more creeped out by this guy but I am. At some point this guy went from researching the motivations of criminal behavior to deciding to become one to gain first hand knowledge. He purposely became his own case study and then went online essentially holding classroom discussions about specific aspects of the murders. It’s incredibly chilling when you put everything in context of who he was socially and academically.
Posted by AUWDE
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 10:00 am to
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she was likely drunk/high


If the prosecution uses this to justify why she did not immediately call the police, the defense is going to use it to question her first hand account of seeing him in the house.

Will be interesting to hear her story….I am sure at some point she is going to testify so it will all come out.

Also in regards to cleaning the car, trace evidence gets everywhere, and unless he took that car down to the frame its highly likely there is evidence there…..too many tiny cracks and crevices in a vehicle that minute evidence can land.
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 10:03 am
Posted by Dueces
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 10:05 am to
If Ethan and Xana were killed first, that explains Goncalves Dad saying, “He didn’t have to go upstairs.”
Posted by TheChosenOne
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 10:09 am to
I agree, but I don’t think her ID’ing him is necessary to the prosecution thanks to the combination of the DNA, cell tracking, car video info, and who knows what else they find on his devices/property. More than anything, it helped them with the timeline and zeroing in on him.

I doubt the prosecution will rely on it that much with all the other evidence, the only reason we’re all focused on her actions and the actions of the roommates in the morning are because that’s one of the few areas that law enforcement hasn’t fully explained.
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 10:11 am
Posted by Saintsisit
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 10:38 am to
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See he had an account on FB called "pappa rodger"

Assuming this is him.


There's a post on there where he questions the group if a stun gun could have been used to incapacitate. I'm assuming marks would have been visible. Would be interesting if that comes out in trial from autopsies.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 10:39 am to
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If the prosecution uses this to justify why she did not immediately call the police


Why would the prosecution need to justify that? Or anything she did for that matter. I still don’t understand why some of you are so fixated on her behavior unless you’re somehow suggesting she was in on it. She did what she did. The “why” is irrelevant.

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the defense is going to use it to question her first hand account of seeing him in the house.


If that’s going to be a significant part of their defense, he’s right fricked anyway.

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Will be interesting to hear her story


I do agree with this.

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.I am sure at some point she is going to testify so it will all come out.


She may, but she’s not going to be some star witness that the prosecution’s case depends on. She didn’t identify him because he was wearing a mask up to his nose (some people seem to think he was decked out in some murder suit with a ski mask, but it was closer to a Covid mask) and it was dark.

All she could tell them was his approximate height and build (she said 5’10” or a little taller and not big, but athletically built), hardly enough to distinguish him from probably 75% of the local male population) and had “bushy eyebrows.”

None of that could be used to accurately identify him, so I don’t see any real reason for the prosecution to even need to bring it up. Her seeing him had nothing to do with him being arrested. They don’t “need” her testimony. (And if she had been seen drinking at the frat house or bar a few hours earlier, I’m not sure they’ll bother with it anyway). At best it initially helped police with a basic timeline, but they’ve got enough now to pin it down much more precisely.

I think what most of y’all really want to know is more about HIS behavior and why he didn’t kill her. Probably won’t get that until somebody interviews him for a documentary 25 years from now when he’s still on death row.

Like I said, it’d be interesting to hear her story from her, but I don’t know how much it matter as it relates to his eventual trial and conviction. With the gag order, we might have to wait until after the trial if she decides to do the talk show circuit. Or she may testify. But don’t expect her to be this trial’s Kato Kalen. Her testimony—if she’s even called—will be a very small part of the prosecution’s case.
Posted by CoastLSUFan
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 10:47 am to
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Also in regards to cleaning the car, trace evidence gets everywhere, and unless he took that car down to the frame its highly likely there is evidence there…..too many tiny cracks and crevices in a vehicle that minute evidence can


Agree, and there may be even more. Let’s say he used a shop vac or something similar to clean out the car. He’d likely dump the contents into a trash bag and then put that bag in the neighbor’s bin. I think it is quite likely the police retrieved a lot of the detritus from his car cleaning activity as evidence.
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 11:03 am
Posted by AUWDE
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 10:59 am to
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Why would the prosecution need to justify that? Or anything she did for that matter. I still don’t understand why some of you are so fixated on her behavior unless you’re somehow suggesting she was in on it. She did what she did. The “why” is irrelevant.


Yes I know, but these are the straws the defense is going to grasp if they don’t take a plea and it goes to trial, so its relevant to discuss.

Why are you so damn wound up about it? You do realize that people will see things from different perspectives than you, right?

A case, from both sides, is built from either building the preponderance of evidence, or tearing it down.
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 11:01 am
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 11:03 am to
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Assuming this is him.


I mentioned earlier someone put together BK’s research questions from DeSales side by side with his questions in the FB group. Here’s the link. Take a look for yourself. Scroll through them. He wasn’t just asking random questions. He was no longer conducting the interview from the researchers point of view. He was conducting research interviews from the criminals point of view. Remember, he knows the answer to all the questions much like a TA or a professor would know when handing out a case study, but now he’s asking the class/ fb group to give their opinions and interpretations of the events.

LINK

When you read his fb questions, read them in the first person.

Ex instead of how do you think the killer approached the house, read it as how did I approach the house?
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 11:13 am
Posted by HouseMom
Member since Jun 2020
1933 posts
Posted on 1/7/23 at 11:08 am to
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Stop trying to act like her reaction isn’t worthy of questioning. It just doesn’t make sense.


This is where I'm getting stumped. She couldn't have been that drunk/high, because her intuition told her something was wrong in the house. She was also cognizant enough to be "frozen" in fear when she saw him. She also seems to recollect the entire chain of events with clarity, per the affidavit.

This is where it gets fuzzy. When she woke up the next morning, was there no blood in the house? It seems nearly impossible to stab 4 people to death in such a short period of time and not at least bump against a wall. He had to have blood on his body.
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 11:10 am to
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Yes I know, but these are the straws the defense is going to grasp if they don’t take a plea and it goes to trial, so its relevant to discuss.


So the dude is going to somehow be found not guilty or less guilty because this chick waited too long to cal cops?
Posted by VolunGator
Franklin, TN / Key West, FL
Member since Jan 2020
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 11:15 am to
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She did what she did. The “why” is irrelevant.


Ding, Ding, Ding
Posted by Bourre
Da Parish
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 11:16 am to
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Just announced on fox news Xana and Ethan were the first ones killed.


Interesting.

I wonder if he stabbed them first, killing Dylan but not Xana (remember her dad saying she put up a fight), went upstairs and killed the other 2 victims, went back to the room where he found Xana still alive and finished her off (explaining why she was found on the floor and heard crying), before leaving back out the kitchen without noticing Dylan seeing him
Posted by AUWDE
Member since Oct 2013
3544 posts
Posted on 1/7/23 at 11:17 am to
The defense, if they decide to take it to trial, is going to try to destroy every piece of evidence the prosecution throws out before a jury no matter how inconsequential you think it might be. In the totality, it all matters. Why I think it will be interesting how they use this and its in the probable cause affidavit so they think this is important enough to include at this time.

Its not just about one thing and it won’t be the only thing his defense tries to discredit.

A defense is built from 1000 tiny cuts to the prosecution’s case. Create enough doubt in the mind of a jury and you create the reasonable doubt needed. Without an eye witness or him outright confessing this is all circumstantial or a case could be built as such.
Posted by AUWDE
Member since Oct 2013
3544 posts
Posted on 1/7/23 at 11:23 am to
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Her dad saying she put up a fight


Will be interesting to see if they have found his DNA on her if so as typically when a victim fights back, there is a transfer of DNA from the attacker to the victim.

If they were looking to see if he had scratches on his hands, face etc from the stops in Indiana, they must think someone scratched him. Might be something they found on her and have they didn’t feel needed to be released in a probable cause affidavit at this time but that would be the nail in his coffin.
Posted by CrimsonTideMD
Member since Dec 2010
7115 posts
Posted on 1/7/23 at 11:25 am to
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His adrenaline would have been through the roof as he made his way out of the house. High levels of adrenaline leads to tunnel vision which is the shrinking of a person’s periphery. Your field of vision is greatly reduced.



Anyone with more expertise in this field please correct me if I’m wrong—as it’s been decades since I finished anatomy and physiology, and it’s not my specialty—but adrenaline causes mydriasis (dilation of the pupils).

It’s part of the “fight or flight” response.

Dilation allows more light through your lens to the retina, making your field of vision wider. The trade off is that this does decrease your visual acuity (basically the amount of detail you can perceive at the same distance compared to normal pupil diameter).


Now, that being said, adrenalines effect on focus/executive function varies widely from one individual to another, and is also highly situational.


So, while physically and physiologically, someone in fight or flight mode has the capacity for a broader field of vision, this may be negated by their mental state, in that their attention result in de facto “tunnel vision”.



One more point. If Dylan were standing in a pitch black or dark bedroom and there was any light source outside her room shining into his eyes, it’s not unlikely he could’ve had difficulty seeing or noticing her, especially if his pupils were dilated and he was rushing out.


This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 12:00 pm
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
21428 posts
Posted on 1/7/23 at 11:57 am to
Yep. If his eyes were dilated and he was experiencing tunnel vision due to the high stress and adrenaline of committing a quadruple homicide, it’s a very strong possibility he never saw her even if the distance between them was less than a couple feet. Potentially dark lighting conditions, him moving fairly quickly past her as she didn’t move (frozen in her words) all make for a very plausible explanation.

Don’t discount the euphoric high this guy was probably experiencing as well.
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 12:07 pm
Posted by SWLA92
SWLA
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 12:01 pm to
Even if she called the cops right away sadly they were already dead but if she was really so high/drunk to hear all of that and go back to bed til 11am and then call friends first and not cops is really crappy of here I can’t wrap my head around it
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 12:08 pm
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