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re: Iceland eliminates 100% of pregnancies with Down Syndrome
Posted on 10/16/25 at 8:26 am to BugAC
Posted on 10/16/25 at 8:26 am to BugAC
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There is a few serial downvoters that aren't brave enough to make the comments that will ultimately have them destroyed here and expose their ugliness.
They are cowards. An ugly part of this is how many false positives there are for Downs. Plus Downs is like autism there is a wide spectrum of impact for people born with trisomy 21. The real number is artificially forced lower because the baby butchers don’t follow up.
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Posted on 10/16/25 at 8:32 am to CollegeFBRules
Reading the first couple of pages, I can guess how this is going to go, but I’ll ask anyway.
How many of the women who selectively abort fetuses screened for Down’s syndrome go on to have children without a disability afterward? And how many of them wouldn’t have had those children if they had carried the Down’s syndrome pregnancy to term?
I think this is an important consideration. There’s a world of difference morally if the additional challenges of caring for a child without Down’s syndrome prevent the parents from having other children afterward. After all, those children that never got to be born would have been precious, too.
I realize there probably isn’t any data out there to answer those questions, so I ask more for sake of discussion than out of expectation that there would be an answer.
How many of the women who selectively abort fetuses screened for Down’s syndrome go on to have children without a disability afterward? And how many of them wouldn’t have had those children if they had carried the Down’s syndrome pregnancy to term?
I think this is an important consideration. There’s a world of difference morally if the additional challenges of caring for a child without Down’s syndrome prevent the parents from having other children afterward. After all, those children that never got to be born would have been precious, too.
I realize there probably isn’t any data out there to answer those questions, so I ask more for sake of discussion than out of expectation that there would be an answer.
Posted on 10/16/25 at 8:33 am to BugAC
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Not saying you are saying this, but, that doesn't excuse wholesale elimination of anything that didn't go your way, especially a life.
That's where it really gets complicated and is almost a whole different conversation.
But in the end, there has to be some nuance. "All people are complicated so what's the difference" is just disingenuous.
I also don't think "didn't go your way" is appropriate phrasing for the situation either. Not getting a specific job or promotion might be something that didn't go your way, but having a child that is going to be with you and will liley need to be cared for for 60+ years until you're elderly is truly a life-altering event, for potentially your entire remaining life.
Posted on 10/16/25 at 8:40 am to OKBoomerSooner
I can’t speak to that, but I can say is that my daughter with Downs was the second of four children, and our odds of having another child with Downs went up exponentially after we had our daughter. Doctors couldn’t explain why that probability went up, just that it did.
Posted on 10/16/25 at 8:40 am to Hog Zealot
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Shane Gillis knows.
Yo, where'd you get that cheeseburger Danny?
Posted on 10/16/25 at 8:44 am to CollegeFBRules
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And they give the parents a card with the baby’s foot prints to take home with them after the abortion.
Literally what the frick? They take the dismembered tiny foot and imprint it onto a card? You cannot be serious. That’s disgusting.
Posted on 10/16/25 at 8:45 am to CollegeFBRules
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I’m a father of a child with Downs. She is a vibrant, amazing young lady who attends college. Coming across this CBS article from 2017 fricked with me pretty hard, especially watching the story.
I say this from the easy spot of not having a child with Downs, but I've never met a person with it in my entire life that wasn't the brightest, most shining example of the true, human spirit in the room. I can't even imagine the challenges that families face with this, but I do know that it takes incredible people to guide these literal angels through life. These people are beautiful. If this is what the people of Iceland do, they're soulless, vapid voids, and this entire point of view is robbing them of something wonderful. It's truly their loss. How devastatingly sad.
Posted on 10/16/25 at 8:46 am to Gings5
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Literally what the frick? They take the dismembered tiny foot and imprint it onto a card? You cannot be serious. That’s disgusting.
If you watch the video, they actually show one of the cards they give parents to take home. Footprints the size of a quarter.
Posted on 10/16/25 at 8:49 am to Giantkiller
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I say this from the easy spot of not having a child with Downs, but I've never met a person with it in my entire life that wasn't the brightest, most shining example of the true, human spirit in the room. I can't even imagine the challenges that families face with this, but I do know that it takes incredible people to guide these literal angels through life. These people are beautiful. If this is what the people of Iceland do, they're soulless, vapid voids, and this entire point of view is robbing them of something wonderful. It's truly their loss. How devastatingly sad.
Much love, my brother.
Posted on 10/16/25 at 8:49 am to CollegeFBRules
I know everyone is on their high horse here saying Iceland sucks, but the US has a higher abortion rate than Iceland.
People here just kill babies for no reason at all
People here just kill babies for no reason at all
This post was edited on 10/16/25 at 8:52 am
Posted on 10/16/25 at 8:50 am to Tornado Alley
quote:There is no need for eugenics. Men with Down syndrome are generally infertile and women has significantly reduced level of fertility. That’s natures way of taking care of things. May be harsh, but that’s the truth. Nature does this to prevent the continuation of a negative genetic abnormality. But that doesn’t mean they don’t deserve life.
It’s not akin to eugenics. It is eugenics
In the modern world we have the medical technology to provide the lifelong care they need and assistance programs to provide extra support.
Every child is a blessing, and we should treat every one as such
Posted on 10/16/25 at 8:51 am to AncientArousal
I don’t know if that accurate or not, but when it comes to this specific issue, Iceland is orders of magnitude beyond the US on aborting disabled children.
Posted on 10/16/25 at 8:51 am to SallysHuman
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Well, they ain't wrong. It definitely prevents life, complicated or otherwise.
People justify their appetite for abortion for many reasons.
Murdering the child is "saving" the child....?? think about that for a second..
Let's just go genocide all the hungry children in Africa to save them from their miserable lives.... Let's murder all the kids in foster care.
That's your logic? Wow.
Maybe we should ask the kids and see if they rather be murdered or go on living. Wonder what they would say.
This post was edited on 10/17/25 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 10/16/25 at 8:54 am to CollegeFBRules
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Advocates argue it is sympathetic and prevents a complicated life for the child and the parents.
Pretty good argument.
I believe that modern medicine creates situations for people that they otherwise wouldn’t be in had nature been allowed to take its course.
I don’t mean this in strictly relating to DS, but there are babies born all over the country that will love the entirety of their lives in a bed/wheelchair/breathing machines. It’s pretty sad and I could see how it would be difficult for the parents.
Posted on 10/16/25 at 8:54 am to i am dan
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People justify their appetite for abortion for many reasons.
Agreed, and it's disgusting.
Posted on 10/16/25 at 8:55 am to CollegeFBRules
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I don’t know if that accurate or not, but when it comes to this specific issue, Iceland is orders of magnitude beyond the US on aborting disabled children.
What makes our method better than them? It is all mostly out of inconvenience.
Posted on 10/16/25 at 8:57 am to CollegeFBRules
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85% accuracy on test results.
I wonder if that is 85% both ways.
Say Downs happens in 1% of births.
Then if false negatives happened 15% of the time you'd get 0.15 births with Downs in every 100 pregnancies.
If false positives happened 15% of the time that is 15% of 99% of births being healthy kids getting aborted.
Surely it is a one-way deal counting false negatives because 1 out of 7 is a lot if it is both ways. I don't know how that works.
Posted on 10/16/25 at 8:58 am to brass2mouth
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Pretty good argument.
I believe that modern medicine creates situations for people that they otherwise wouldn’t be in had nature been allowed to take its course.
I don’t mean this in strictly relating to DS, but there are babies born all over the country that will love the entirety of their lives in a bed/wheelchair/breathing machines. It’s pretty sad and I could see how it would be difficult for the parents.
Everyone is convinced their life is supposed to be this fairy tale that is free from anything other than paying bills and doing the day to day.
How far does the argument go? A child gets sick with cancer, a parent comes down with Alzheimer’s. Are you permitted to get rid of them because it’s a life of complication?
This post was edited on 10/16/25 at 9:00 am
Posted on 10/16/25 at 8:59 am to AncientArousal
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What makes our method better than them? It is all mostly out of inconvenience.
The fact that we don’t kill as many? My opinion is that one is too many, but I will argue that we’re better to the extent that we do it less.
Posted on 10/16/25 at 9:00 am to CollegeFBRules
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Advocates argue it is sympathetic and prevents a complicated life for the child and the parents.
I absolutely loathe this argument. It is so selfish and shortsighted.
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