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re: I said, "My name is Patrick!"(police bodycam)
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:05 pm to Darth_Vader
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:05 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:
What do you think the cops intended after he put his hands on the car?
A: frick him from behind
B: cuff him
C Confirm his ID while making sure he's not a threat.
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Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:05 pm to dgnx6
quote:
dgnx6
quote:Are you justifying them lying about asking for his ID?
I'm justifying this situation based on what's going in this country.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:06 pm to Sneaky__Sally
quote:
why are you asking? i'm pretty sure that was all he said before going "umm Patrick" maybe another one syllable word.
Is that cooperating or is it not? I feel like we all know the answer.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:06 pm to beauchristopher
quote:
Ah yes, the standard justify the officer's incompetence because the civilian was a bad person and deserved it.
I never said that. Some of you can not be this fricking incapable of reading.
You are throwing assumptions that this dude got in minor trouble for drugs.
I'm saying he has already been in trouble, I don't know what for. So maybe he actually ruined his own life. It isn't ruined at the moment the cops tase him and cite him for obstruction.
We really need to get away from blaming everyone else but ourselves.
I simply responded to Verlander saying he never lied to ruin someone's life.
This guy already made choices to do that. Unless we all assume his last trouble with the law was fabricated by police, you know, because all police are bad people.
This post was edited on 7/15/16 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:06 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:If this was their intentions why did they lie about asking for his ID?
C Confirm his ID while making sure he's not a threat.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:06 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:
I sure hope I don't kill myself over what you think.
I do
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:06 pm to Alahunter
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Alahunter
do you agree that the cops should have handled it like this?
quote:
cop: instead of saying "arrest him" how about "ok Patrick we have a warrant for XXXX at this address that fits your description can you show us some identification"
this, IMO, would be the easiest and smartest way to go about it. You have the kid in a vulnerable position. Asking the question in this manner is not going to escalate the situation. And you avoid a lot of drama and potential repercussions. Oh, and then you don't have to lie multiple times about asking for ID; because you actually did.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:07 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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If this was their intentions why did they lie about asking for his ID?
Unlike you I don't claim to know these people.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:07 pm to Pecker
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I do
Dang, I might do it now. Thanks for the support.
ETA: You and whoever upvoted you take the internet way too seriously
This post was edited on 7/15/16 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:08 pm to LNCHBOX
If marshal law went into effect you would be so compliant. God you sound like such a bitch
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:09 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:
LNCHBOX
Why do you think these cops lied about the interaction to the neighbors?
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:09 pm to geauxnavybeatbama
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If marshal law went into effect you would be so compliant.
What is marshal law?
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:09 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Why do you think these cops lied about the interaction to the neighbors?
I don't pretend to know.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:10 pm to LNCHBOX
ok I just watched again - you are right, he didn't say arrest him.
But Patrick said his name twice before he was told to stand up and within 15 seconds of first contact. At that point ask for id.
He gets told to stand up - and complies.
He gets told to put his on the car, and he puts his hands up and says "what did I do" a pretty reasonable response given that he just came from probation officer and them a few seconds later sits back down in the car.
The officer could have asked for his id after his name, told him what was going on, or calmly answered his question when Patrick was standing in the doorway with his hands up. Officer was responsible for escalating this much more than Patrick and had multiple chances to de-escalate the situation.
But Patrick said his name twice before he was told to stand up and within 15 seconds of first contact. At that point ask for id.
He gets told to stand up - and complies.
He gets told to put his on the car, and he puts his hands up and says "what did I do" a pretty reasonable response given that he just came from probation officer and them a few seconds later sits back down in the car.
The officer could have asked for his id after his name, told him what was going on, or calmly answered his question when Patrick was standing in the doorway with his hands up. Officer was responsible for escalating this much more than Patrick and had multiple chances to de-escalate the situation.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:10 pm to LNCHBOX
The cops never asked for ID, then lied about it. They knew they were in the wrong, you should know that too.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:10 pm to dgnx6
quote:
I'm saying he has already been in trouble, I don't know what for. So maybe he actually ruined his own life.
His life isn't ruined just because he's on probation. I appreciate he is concerned about holding down his job and he actually at this point in time is staying out of trouble.. or avoiding it.. because as it's stated.. he would lose his job..
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:10 pm to VerlanderBEAST
So the cop lied to the people around him, not on his report right? Why is that? Maybe because citizens have been protesting cops and even using violence towards them?
Hmmmm
Hmmmm
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:11 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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Officer was responsible for escalating this much more than Patrick and had multiple chances to de-escalate the situation.
I don't disagree.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:11 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:
quote:why are you asking? i'm pretty sure that was all he said before going "umm Patrick" maybe another one syllable word. Is that cooperating or is it not? I feel like we all know the answer.
I think its cooperating, he answered the question (twice actually) before the officer told him to stand up. He then did stand up at which point the officer could have explained the situation.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:11 pm to RedPants
quote:
The cops never asked for ID, then lied about it. They knew they were in the wrong, you should know that too.
So I should kill myself?
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