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re: I have some questions I'd like to ask catholics (very long)
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:06 pm to BigEdLSU
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:06 pm to BigEdLSU
The Catholic Catechism is online and can answer all your questions.
No. He is the head of the organized church and the Bishop of the Vatican.
She's not prayed to. The Hail Mary asks for her intercession to ask her to pray for us.
Think more along the lines of Jesus handing the power to forgive sins to the Apostles. Of course, Jesus dying for our sins is the reason we are granted into Heaven. He does tell others to repent, and penance is a way to reflect on what you've done. What better way to return to the Gospel than to pray words spoken during the Gospel? And penance can be a number of prayers. It's often portrayed that way. But in my experience, it's usually something much more meaningful (going out of my way to do a kind thing for a person I was critical of. Read any of the four accounts of The Passion. Plenty of penance isn't "this number of these and two of those.")
Baptism is the washing away of original sin and welcoming/introduction to the faith, which is the responsibility of the parents and godparents to form the child in. as the child grows, they are introduced to confession, communion, and, finally, confirmation- where they essentially are of the age of reason and can assume full responsibility for their own soul.
To paraphrase Archbishop Fulton Sheen, "there are not one hundred people on earth who hate the Catholic Church, but there are millions upon millions who hate what they incorrectly perceive the Catholic Church to be." You very well could be one of the former, but based on your interpretations above, you firmly fit into the category of the latter at present time.
And solid troll, by the way.
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It is my understanding that the pope is supposedly taking all the prayers of all catholics to deliver them to God.
No. He is the head of the organized church and the Bishop of the Vatican.
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What is the deal with praying to Mary?
She's not prayed to. The Hail Mary asks for her intercession to ask her to pray for us.
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Third, punishment. It is my understanding that if you sin as a child, the priest will command you to say 10 Hail Marys or something along those lines. The gospel however tells us that we cannot "earn" our way into heaven, that we can only please God through faith. We cannot atone for our sins any more than we could make the moon turn into cheese. Jesus has paid for our sins, we don't have to pay more.
Think more along the lines of Jesus handing the power to forgive sins to the Apostles. Of course, Jesus dying for our sins is the reason we are granted into Heaven. He does tell others to repent, and penance is a way to reflect on what you've done. What better way to return to the Gospel than to pray words spoken during the Gospel? And penance can be a number of prayers. It's often portrayed that way. But in my experience, it's usually something much more meaningful (going out of my way to do a kind thing for a person I was critical of. Read any of the four accounts of The Passion. Plenty of penance isn't "this number of these and two of those.")
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And lastly, baptism. It is my understanding that all catholic children are baptized as infants. I was taught that baptism was symbolic of a rebirth into Christ, and is the decision of the individual, not the parent.
Baptism is the washing away of original sin and welcoming/introduction to the faith, which is the responsibility of the parents and godparents to form the child in. as the child grows, they are introduced to confession, communion, and, finally, confirmation- where they essentially are of the age of reason and can assume full responsibility for their own soul.
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What am I missing?
To paraphrase Archbishop Fulton Sheen, "there are not one hundred people on earth who hate the Catholic Church, but there are millions upon millions who hate what they incorrectly perceive the Catholic Church to be." You very well could be one of the former, but based on your interpretations above, you firmly fit into the category of the latter at present time.
And solid troll, by the way.
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Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:06 pm to BigEdLSU
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If a random stranger approached you and asked you if you were a Christian, how would you respond?
I'd say, "Catholics are the OG Christians, brah. The rest of you is just offshoots and pretenders."
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:07 pm to SwaggerCopter
I'll read it when I get home.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:08 pm to TigerBait414
Scruffy answered all of the questions already. Funny how some posters make fun of Catholicism while going to church 3 times a week at one of the "talking in tongues" churches and refusing to drink alcohol( only in public), while being dumb enough to send $$$ to that Ohlsteen crook.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:09 pm to BigEdLSU
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For starters, the pope. It is my understanding that the pope is supposedly taking all the prayers of all catholics to deliver them to God
Nope - Pope is the leader of all Catholics and the "steward" of the church until Jesus' return essentially. He is the guide. He prays for all Catholics' prayers to be answered, but is not solely responsible for those prayers.
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What is the deal with praying to Mary?
As the mother of Jesus, shes got some serious pull with the big guy, in layman's terms
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"Hail Mary",
Start of the prayer like an opening - "Our Father" is another example of this
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God was pleased with Abraham too, but no one is praying to Abraham (I hope).
People pray to Abraham. He is the father of the root of Catholicism - Judaism
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Third, punishment. It is my understanding that if you sin as a child, the priest will command you to say 10 Hail Marys or something along those lines. The gospel however tells us that we cannot "earn" our way into heaven, that we can only please God through faith. We cannot atone for our sins any more than we could make the moon turn into cheese. Jesus has paid for our sins, we don't have to pay more.
Catholics believe in the confession of sins and then a penance to atone for those sins. During the prayer, you are supposed to be reflecting and repenting on what you have done and asking Mary to intercede with God to help you not do it again.
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And lastly, baptism. It is my understanding that all catholic children are baptized as infants. I was taught that baptism was symbolic of a rebirth into Christ, and is the decision of the individual, not the parent.
Catholics believe that every person is born with original sin passed down to them by Adam and Eve. Baptism "washes" that sin from them and then they are accepted into the faith as a pure soul, child or adult. Catholics also believe that the faith lives of children are the responsibility of their parents until the sacrament of confirmation, when the child is recognized as an adult in the eyes of the church. At that point, the person is free to make their own decisions as a Catholic and their spiritual well being is no longer the parents' problem.
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I will repeat, I'm a filthy sinner. I am lost without my Lord and savior. I just can't help but see a relation between the Pharisees and my understanding of Catholics. What am I missing?
Catholicism is a tradition based religion, thus confusing and cold to most people. Most protestant Christian religions are faith based, "personal experience with Christ" based religions formed as a direct anti culture to the terribly corrupt Catholic church. They give the average Christian among their ranks a very "personable" feel to religion that is a much easier pill to swallow in these modern times.
In my experience , there are some truly faithful Catholics who follow the religion and love it, but by and large the majority of Catholics out there just follow the rules and go through the motions.
Protestants tend to have a larger number of people who actually live the faith instead of just show up every week.
very interesting stuff. I went to 14 years of Catholic school. I always thought religion was mostly good ideas tainted by human fallibility, but I find Church history and practices fascinating.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:09 pm to AbuTheMonkey
Oh man my grandparents flipped their shite when they found out my Dad was being confirmed as a Catholic. 
That was the day when I discovered that A LOT Protestants (especially Southern Baptists) have no idea what the Catholic Church is/don't think Catholics are Christians.
That was the day when I discovered that A LOT Protestants (especially Southern Baptists) have no idea what the Catholic Church is/don't think Catholics are Christians.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:10 pm to BigEdLSU
solid
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:11 pm to randybobandy
quote:I don't know any posters who do this.
Funny how some posters make fun of Catholicism while going to church 3 times a week at one of the "talking in tongues" churches and refusing to drink alcohol( only in public), while being dumb enough to send $$$ to that Ohlsteen crook.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:11 pm to WG_Dawg
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those are all good questions
yup
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:12 pm to BigEdLSU
https://whycatholicsdothat.com/
I researched Catholicism several years ago, and had many of the same questions. I actually sat down with a Priest, and he answered any questions I had. I suggest you do the same even if not interested in the Catholic faith.
I researched Catholicism several years ago, and had many of the same questions. I actually sat down with a Priest, and he answered any questions I had. I suggest you do the same even if not interested in the Catholic faith.
This post was edited on 4/16/15 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:12 pm to randybobandy
Hey bro, I do way worse than drinking a little alcohol. And to the poster above, this is not a troll. The Internet is the best way to reach atheists, and I bring topics up with that in mind.
I'm here for the harvest
I'm here for the harvest
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:14 pm to TigerBait414
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Yes....Catholicism was the original form of Christianity
Can this be proven? I would venture a guess that if Jesus came right now and attended ANY church's service, Mass or whatever, we would be so far off his original plan it wouldn't even be funny.
That is what happens when humans interfere. Important documents are poorly translated, burned for personal gain, or people are led astray by the powers.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:16 pm to BigEdLSU
What do Catholics believe is required to get into Heaven? Do you believe in salvation?
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:16 pm to BigEdLSU
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I am not here to judge or criticize anyone
I just broke up with a broad who said this almost daily. 100% of the time judgement and criticism followed.
Yall both have something in common..........you're not Catholic and you assume Catholics are horrible people because we don't go to HPC and speak in tongues and feel the need to convert every person on Earth.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:17 pm to LucasP
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This is false, the pope sends the prayers to Paul who then scans the prayers in and sends them up for processing. The thing is a lot of prayers are just shitty and not really thought out, so if there's not some sort of vetting process then the good lord will be inundated with bullshite prayers that really don't deserve his attention. A good tip, if you want your prayer heard by God, mark it "urgent".
My thumb hurts from constantly upvoting LucasP posts
This post was edited on 4/16/15 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:19 pm to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
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speak in tongues
Do you believe every non-catholic religion does this? If so, I guess it's safe to assume every catholic priest molests children? (Which I do not)
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:19 pm to BigEdLSU
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A few things I've heard that catholics do perplex me though.
You and me both! And I am a life long Catholic.
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Surely catholics don't think they need him to pray to God for them, do they?
Of course not, the Pope is a filthy sinner just like you and me. However, Catholics do believe in the power of prayer - including group prayers and prayer by others that are perceived as living a life closer to God.
Have you ever seen someone ask the preacher to pray for them? Have you ever asked other to pray for you? It's the same thing.
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What is the deal with praying to Mary?
The Hail Mary is a prayer request. We are asking Mary to pray for our sins. Catholics believe that, through the power of God, there are no limitations on prayer and prayer requests are often asked of saints. Only God is prayed to in a worshipful manner.
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The way some people use it in prayer in modern times certainly doesn't mean "Hi".
The expression Hail Mary is a greeting. That is all that it is.
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Third, punishment. It is my understanding that if you sin as a child, the priest will command you to say 10 Hail Marys or something along those lines.
Prayers after confession are acts of contrition; they are done in order to reflect on our sins so that we may show that we are truly sorry for those actions. Prayers are not meant to be done as form of payment.
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And lastly, baptism. It is my understanding that all catholic children are baptized as infants. I was taught that baptism was symbolic of a rebirth into Christ, and is the decision of the individual, not the parent.
Baptism is one sacrament that young Catholics experience throughout their faith journey. Youths will also go through their first penance and first confession. Around junior year of high school we will go through the sacrament of Confirmation, which is a way to confirm our commitments to God and remember the reason for being baptized into His church.
Infants are baptized because it has become tradition. It is a way for parents to make a commitment to raise the child in the Catholic faith. If you did not wish to baptize your infant, then you would not be required to do so. A person can be baptized at any point in their lives in any Christian faith, and it will still be recognized by the catholic church.
God Bless you, brother.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:19 pm to crap4brain
quote:A belief in Jesus and forgiveness of their sins.
by crap4brain What do Catholics believe is required to get into Heaven? Do you believe in salvation?
Catholics also get to drink without going to Hell.
This post was edited on 4/16/15 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:19 pm to BigEdLSU
Big Ed, If you are serious send me a message and I will answer these and other questions tonight.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:21 pm to bawbarn
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Can this be proven?
I can prove the Catholicism existed for some 1500 years before Protestantism. Making it the original. which is all my post implied. I'm not trying to turn this into a "who's way is right" debate.
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