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I have some questions I'd like to ask catholics (very long)
Posted on 4/16/15 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 4/16/15 at 2:34 pm
Let me preface this thread by saying I love you all. If you're familiar with my posting history, I am a man of faith who makes a lot of mistakes daily. I am not here to judge or criticize anyone. However, I don't have any catholic friends, and I'm sure some people here can answer some of my questions.
I admit I am very ignorant of catholic.....traditions. A few things I've heard that catholics do perplex me though.
For starters, the pope. It is my understanding that the pope is supposedly taking all the prayers of all catholics to deliver them to God. Surely catholics don't think he is anything other than a filthy sinner, just like me. Right? Surely catholics don't think they need him to pray to God for them, do they?
Speaking of having your prayers go to a middle man.... Or woman... What is the deal with praying to Mary? She is nothing more than the vessel God used to bring Jesus into this world. Is there any biblical reference at all to Jesus saying to pray to his mom?
Now I know the angel greeted her with "Hail Mary", however if you are honest with yourself, hail was a greeting back then. It just meant "Hi Mary" in my opinion. The way some people use it in prayer in modern times certainly doesn't mean "Hi".
Now what about the part where it is said that Mary was favored among all women? Well that part is obviously true. God was obviously pleased with Mary, to choose to use her as the vessel to deliver the messiah into the world. God was pleased with Abraham too, but no one is praying to Abraham (I hope).
Third, punishment. It is my understanding that if you sin as a child, the priest will command you to say 10 Hail Marys or something along those lines. The gospel however tells us that we cannot "earn" our way into heaven, that we can only please God through faith. We cannot atone for our sins any more than we could make the moon turn into cheese. Jesus has paid for our sins, we don't have to pay more.
And lastly, baptism. It is my understanding that all catholic children are baptized as infants. I was taught that baptism was symbolic of a rebirth into Christ, and is the decision of the individual, not the parent.
I will repeat, I'm a filthy sinner. I am lost without my Lord and savior. I just can't help but see a relation between the Pharisees and my understanding of Catholics. What am I missing?
I admit I am very ignorant of catholic.....traditions. A few things I've heard that catholics do perplex me though.
For starters, the pope. It is my understanding that the pope is supposedly taking all the prayers of all catholics to deliver them to God. Surely catholics don't think he is anything other than a filthy sinner, just like me. Right? Surely catholics don't think they need him to pray to God for them, do they?
Speaking of having your prayers go to a middle man.... Or woman... What is the deal with praying to Mary? She is nothing more than the vessel God used to bring Jesus into this world. Is there any biblical reference at all to Jesus saying to pray to his mom?
Now I know the angel greeted her with "Hail Mary", however if you are honest with yourself, hail was a greeting back then. It just meant "Hi Mary" in my opinion. The way some people use it in prayer in modern times certainly doesn't mean "Hi".
Now what about the part where it is said that Mary was favored among all women? Well that part is obviously true. God was obviously pleased with Mary, to choose to use her as the vessel to deliver the messiah into the world. God was pleased with Abraham too, but no one is praying to Abraham (I hope).
Third, punishment. It is my understanding that if you sin as a child, the priest will command you to say 10 Hail Marys or something along those lines. The gospel however tells us that we cannot "earn" our way into heaven, that we can only please God through faith. We cannot atone for our sins any more than we could make the moon turn into cheese. Jesus has paid for our sins, we don't have to pay more.
And lastly, baptism. It is my understanding that all catholic children are baptized as infants. I was taught that baptism was symbolic of a rebirth into Christ, and is the decision of the individual, not the parent.
I will repeat, I'm a filthy sinner. I am lost without my Lord and savior. I just can't help but see a relation between the Pharisees and my understanding of Catholics. What am I missing?
Posted on 4/16/15 at 2:36 pm to BigEdLSU
What about all the fricking kids? Are these people masochists?
Posted on 4/16/15 at 2:36 pm to BigEdLSU
This thread should last awhile.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 2:37 pm to BigEdLSU
I thought that these threads were frowned upon...
But I say Let Her Rip!
But I say Let Her Rip!
Posted on 4/16/15 at 2:37 pm to BigEdLSU
On mobile. Not sure if trolling.
You're understanding is way off in most cases.
You're understanding is way off in most cases.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 2:37 pm to BigEdLSU
Troll
This post was edited on 4/16/15 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 4/16/15 at 2:37 pm to BigEdLSU
quote:
I am not here to judge or criticize anyone
Not true.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 2:38 pm to BigEdLSU
those are all good questions, I'm sorry you haven't gotten any real answers.
I'm not catholic, so like you there are aspects of that religion that I find don't make any sense. But to each his own.
I'm not catholic, so like you there are aspects of that religion that I find don't make any sense. But to each his own.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 2:38 pm to BigEdLSU
This is why we can't have nice things..
Posted on 4/16/15 at 2:38 pm to BigEdLSU
OP, I send me your address to SwaggerCopterTD @ gmail. I will send you a book on all of these questions if you are truly interested. Fair warning though. I personally know someone who became Catholic after reading it.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 2:39 pm to BigEdLSU
quote:
It is my understanding that the pope is supposedly taking all the prayers of all catholics to deliver them to God.
This is false, the pope sends the prayers to Paul who then scans the prayers in and sends them up for processing. The thing is a lot of prayers are just shitty and not really thought out, so if there's not some sort of vetting process then the good lord will be inundated with bullshite prayers that really don't deserve his attention. A good tip, if you want your prayer heard by God, mark it "urgent".
Posted on 4/16/15 at 2:39 pm to BigEdLSU
Every time I have some idea that Protestants may be on to something, an ignorant one comes along and corrects those notions.
This post was edited on 4/16/15 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 4/16/15 at 2:39 pm to BigEdLSU
quote:
punishment. It is my understanding that if you sin as a child, the priest will command you to say 10 Hail Marys or something along those lines.
quote:
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realised that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me.
Emo Philips
Posted on 4/16/15 at 2:40 pm to KosmoCramer
I most certainly am not trolling. It's fully possible and maybe even probable that I'm misinformed. Please fill me in.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 2:40 pm to LucasP
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This is false, the pope sends the prayers to Paul who then scans the prayers in and sends them up for processing. The thing is a lot of prayers are just shitty and not really thought out, so if there's not some sort of vetting process then the good lord will be inundated with bullshite prayers that really don't deserve his attention. A good tip, if you want your prayer heard by God, mark it "urgent".
This is the kind of useful knowledge they don't teach in Sunday School anymore.
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