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re: I always thought Musk was a phony
Posted on 7/22/18 at 11:51 am to Mo Jeaux
Posted on 7/22/18 at 11:51 am to Mo Jeaux
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According to some of your arguments in this thread, yes
I've never made that argument. You're lack of comprehension is the issue.
Paying the proper politicians for financial favors =/= doing taxes according to the legal tax code. It's not even remotely in the ballpark.
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It has been widely reported that among SolarCity, Tesla, and the rocket company SpaceX, Elon Musk’s confederacy of interests has gotten at least $4.9 billion in taxpayer support over the past 10 years.
From the article.
The taxpayer never got their moneys worth from Solar City.
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Posted on 7/22/18 at 11:51 am to tss22h8
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Then in May, the NTSB announced an investigation after two teenagers were killed in a Tesla Model S after its battery caught fire following a crash. A similar accident claimed a driver two months prior, with California firefighters reporting that the Tesla battery kept reigniting itself days after the smash.
Safety issues as a result of vehicle design flaws, or manufacturing problems have plagued almost every manufacturer, the current air bag problem, Toyota accelerator problem, Ford Pinto gas tank, GMC pickup gas tank, Ford Explorer roll over issue, the infamous Corvair are just a few.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 11:51 am to Geekboy
Just here for the downvote.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 11:53 am to Geekboy
Posted on 7/22/18 at 11:54 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:It's like your just covering your ears and screaming "LALALALALALALALALA" at this point.
Absolutely not.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 11:54 am to RogerTheShrubber
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You're lack of comprehension is the issue.
quote:
by RogerTheShrubber
Clearly.
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Paying the proper politicians for financial favors =/= doing taxes according to the legal tax code. It's not even remotely in the ballpark.
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The taxpayer never got their moneys worth from Solar City.
You're making two different arguments here. The one that the cost has outweighed the be fit could have merit. The one that Tesla or Solar City has taken government funds that would otherwise not be available to anyone else does not.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 11:55 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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You're making two different arguments here
Absolutely not. You're just creating it in your head.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 11:55 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I've never made that argument. You're lack of comprehension is the issue.
You did implicitly. And lol at you talking about others not being able to comprehend things. Tell me again about all of those deductions and credits that are available to everyone.
You’ve read a few articles criticizing Musk, and it’s made you mad. However, your level of understanding is limited.
This post was edited on 7/22/18 at 11:57 am
Posted on 7/22/18 at 11:55 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:You've moved the goalposts yet again.
From the article.
The taxpayer never got their moneys worth from Solar City.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 11:56 am to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:Looks like I'm not the only one who caught that.
You're making two different arguments here.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 11:57 am to shel311
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You've moved the goalposts yet again.
WTF?
What are you talking about? This thread is about Elon Musk and his cronyism.
Are you under the impression that the only thing Musk has been involved with is Tesla?
Posted on 7/22/18 at 11:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Same exact thing as the other guy who said the same exact thing.
WTF?
What are you talking about?
quote:no
Are you under the impression that the only thing Musk has been involved with is Tesla?
Posted on 7/22/18 at 12:00 pm to Mo Jeaux
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And lol at you talking about others not being able to comprehend things.
You're a classic case.
Musk makes his money off of government involvement in his industry. This has always been the argument. He's a promoter, a crony capitalist and couldn't survive without being heavily subsidized.
Can you actually disagree with that?
Posted on 7/22/18 at 12:03 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Yes, I can disagree.
A classic case of what? I understand tax credits and deductions. You originally used those to support your argument. When it was pointed out that your understanding was incorrect, you moved on to another example.
Even the examples that you’re pointing out now are engaged in my a whole host of businesses and hardly point to Musk being the “poster child for crony capitalism” as you’ve called him.
A classic case of what? I understand tax credits and deductions. You originally used those to support your argument. When it was pointed out that your understanding was incorrect, you moved on to another example.
Even the examples that you’re pointing out now are engaged in my a whole host of businesses and hardly point to Musk being the “poster child for crony capitalism” as you’ve called him.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 12:04 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Musk makes his money off of government involvement in his industry
Not really.
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He's a promoter, a crony capitalist
Agreed.
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couldn't survive without being heavily subsidized.
Yes he could.
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Can you actually disagree with that?
Absolutely because you understand about 2% of what's going on.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 12:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Again
Musk is simply taking advantage of the loopholes and incentives provided by the government.
We all do it to some extent.
Criticize the government for offering these incentives or loopholes, not the people that smartly take advantage of it.
Musk is simply taking advantage of the loopholes and incentives provided by the government.
We all do it to some extent.
Criticize the government for offering these incentives or loopholes, not the people that smartly take advantage of it.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 12:06 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Musk makes his money off of government involvement in his industry
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Not really.
He's a corporate welfare queen.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 12:07 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Welfare queens don’t typically pay back their welfare checks.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 12:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I’ve asked this already, but what businesses do not take advantage of federal, state or local subsidies?
I get it that you think Musk is the most egregious example, but that seems like a personal issue.
I get it that you think Musk is the most egregious example, but that seems like a personal issue.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 12:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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He's a corporate welfare queen.
I don't really disagree
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