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re: Hypothet. - if someone whose positions align highly with yours seizes authoritarian power
Posted on 8/10/20 at 1:25 pm to DavidTheGnome
Posted on 8/10/20 at 1:25 pm to DavidTheGnome
Authoritarian =/= totalitarian, though the two often overlap. Y'all softies gonna get stomped when you could have seized influence.
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Posted on 8/10/20 at 1:25 pm to Methuselah
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Hypothet. - if someone whose positions align highly with yours seizes authoritarian power
I imagine a few positions in upper management would become available.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 1:25 pm to Methuselah
quote:Seems like a good way to collect on old debts from loaning money to relatives/friends years ago by having them sent to the gulag
- Cozy up with the power to the extent possible and try to settle scores with your enemies.
This post was edited on 8/10/20 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 8/10/20 at 1:26 pm to Methuselah
Pretty clear to see how most conservatives would respond because they're doing it now.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 1:27 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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How would you respond?
Angrily. I don't live in that kind of country.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 1:27 pm to The Spleen
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Pretty clear to see how most conservatives would respond because they're doing it now.
lmao you think Trump has authoritarian power that was not already granted to the office beforehand
Posted on 8/10/20 at 1:29 pm to HempHead
No, it was completely benevolent when Obama used his "pen and phone" after letting everyone know "elections have consequences."
Posted on 8/10/20 at 1:29 pm to Methuselah
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if someone whose positions align highly with yours seizes authoritarian power
Be pumped because it would lead to almost the complete dismantling of the government to the lowest functioning level possible. The one who governs best governs least and all.
I guess in theory though it's a paradox because taking authoritarian power is incapable of limiting governmental power.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 1:29 pm to Methuselah
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Say "hell yeah, representative democracy ain't all that great after all."
Posted on 8/10/20 at 1:29 pm to HempHead
I think he has authoritarian tendencies that could easily creep into complete authoritarianism, and conservatives mostly applaud and are okay with those tendencies.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 1:30 pm to The Spleen
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Pretty clear to see how most conservatives would respond because they're doing it now.
Don't derail. The question is how YOU would respond if the person agreed with YOUR positions.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 1:32 pm to The Spleen
Obama signs un-Constitutional EO trying to legalize invaders for purpose of affecting future elections.........
Supreme Court ignores Constitution says current President cannot override previous President's EO....
Leftist claim Trump is Authoritarian....
HOOOOOOOOONK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Supreme Court ignores Constitution says current President cannot override previous President's EO....
Leftist claim Trump is Authoritarian....
HOOOOOOOOONK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 8/10/20 at 1:32 pm to Methuselah
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Reluctantly become a resister because to you democracy is even more important than your positions on individual issues.
Nothing reluctant about it.
Freedom and our constitutional dual federalist republic is way more important than a government enforcing my indivual values.
Democracy is a horrific form of government. But a representative republic is great.
Americans are either too ignorant or too blind to understand our government and it's becoming a problem.
Federal government politics and its dual party system has infected every level of the American system down to the local level.
And the belief that the president can or should solve all of the country’s problems while not even being able to name your congressional representation is insanity.
This post was edited on 8/10/20 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 8/10/20 at 1:33 pm to The Spleen
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I think he has authoritarian tendencies
Thank Obama.
Trump is simply trying to right the ship.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 1:36 pm to The Spleen
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think he has authoritarian tendencies that could easily creep into complete authoritarianism,
Name three examples
Posted on 8/10/20 at 1:36 pm to Methuselah
I would reluctantly choose a tyranny that agreed with my views, over a democracy that was the opposite of my views.
Just because something is democratic doesn't mean it's good. What if 70% of Americans voluntarily agreed, and voted, that we should let blacks have supreme rights over any other race, take away everyone's guns, impose a 2-child limit per family like China, increase everyone's taxes to sixty percent, ban freedom of religion, that all churches should be burned to the ground, that everyone must keep portraits of Stalin and Marx in their living rooms, and that MSNBC and the Huffington Post ought to be the only two legally operating media outlets? (an absurd and extreme hypothetical, but you get my point)
That would be a fully democratic outcome......and it would be a dystopia. Just because it was a democratically-created dystopia doesn't make it any less awful.
Just because something is democratic doesn't mean it's good. What if 70% of Americans voluntarily agreed, and voted, that we should let blacks have supreme rights over any other race, take away everyone's guns, impose a 2-child limit per family like China, increase everyone's taxes to sixty percent, ban freedom of religion, that all churches should be burned to the ground, that everyone must keep portraits of Stalin and Marx in their living rooms, and that MSNBC and the Huffington Post ought to be the only two legally operating media outlets? (an absurd and extreme hypothetical, but you get my point)
That would be a fully democratic outcome......and it would be a dystopia. Just because it was a democratically-created dystopia doesn't make it any less awful.
This post was edited on 8/10/20 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 8/10/20 at 1:37 pm to Centinel
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No, it was completely benevolent when Obama used his "pen and phone" after letting everyone know "elections have consequences."
To be fair each successive president in recent history has been pushing the envelope of their powers, in part due to Congress hamstringing themselves with their own rules.
Some people are fine with it as long as the executive branch is headed by someone they align with philosophically but it has worried me for decades. As the power shifts toward the executive branch fewer people have an actual representative voice in the process.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 1:38 pm to Methuselah
quote:I agree with attending church but I don't want people forced into churches.
What if the person aligned with all of your positions besides your dislike of authoritarianism?
I agree with the right to bear arms, but I dont want guns forced upon the unwilling.
I agree that media is biased far to the left, but I dont want that media shutdown.
Etc.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 1:39 pm to Methuselah
The land is full of petty tyrants now. The bloated bureaucracy is a cancer.
The system is failing. We are due for an upheaval.
The system is failing. We are due for an upheaval.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 1:39 pm to Obtuse1
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As the power shifts toward the executive branch fewer people have an actual representative voice in the process.
That is a natural consequence of a large, diverse population (in all senses of the word). If we all truly had a voice and were properly represented, nothing would ever get done.
Unless, of course, we localize practically everything. Which is not the worst idea.
This post was edited on 8/10/20 at 1:40 pm
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