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re: Hugh Thompson and the My Lai Massacre during the Vietnam War
Posted on 4/18/18 at 9:11 am to LSU316
Posted on 4/18/18 at 9:11 am to LSU316
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I'm interested to know what your solution would have been. I mean clearly any reasonable person can tell that we had an issue with the USSR, China, and North Korea in that part of the World at that time.
We were mixed up in what was then called French Indochina going back to the Truman Administration. While the French Army were fighting the Viet Minh, the French public was so against the war, the US picked up the tab. Eisenhower sent the first "advisors" into Vietnam and Laos. Kennedy started to really commit troops to the war and let the CIA overthrow Pres. Diem because the Kennedys didn't like his a-hole brother, Nhu. Johnson didn't know WTF he wanted to do and waffled about everything. McNamara lied to him about the real situation and cut off the JCS from speaking directly to Johnson. The both spent an inordinate amount of energy lying to the American public about what was truly happening in Vietnam.
Okay, rant over ...
In summation, the Domino Theory was bullshite. We should have stayed home.
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Posted on 4/18/18 at 9:13 am to celltech1981
Get some.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 9:34 am to White Roach
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the French public was so against the war, the US picked up the tab.
There was some of this, but the French were broke as frick, and trying to fight a war on the cheap.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 9:40 am to celltech1981
Former Navy SEAL platoon commander, instructor and Silver/Bronze Star recipient, Jocko Willink disusses the book “4 Hours in My Lai” and breaks down what led to the massacre:
Intersting, gut-wrenching stuff
Intersting, gut-wrenching stuff
Posted on 4/18/18 at 9:51 am to White Roach
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We should have stayed home.
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the Domino Theory was bullshite.
So that might be right....I wonder what would have happened if we would have just sat back and let those countries amass power and influence in that region. You think they would have sat back and just let us do our thing (our thing being freedom, democracy, and capitalism) once they thought they had the might to challenge us?
The hatred from those regimes toward America was real at some level.
This post was edited on 4/18/18 at 9:52 am
Posted on 4/18/18 at 9:51 am to celltech1981
CPT Medina murdered Nguy?n Th? T?u right in front of Hugh Thompson and, somehow, Medina was acquitted at a court-martial.
IMHO, the folks today in military service would not acquit in a case like this one. In many ways, our military folks are better today than ever before.
IMHO, the folks today in military service would not acquit in a case like this one. In many ways, our military folks are better today than ever before.
This post was edited on 4/18/18 at 9:52 am
Posted on 4/18/18 at 9:51 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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Intersting, gut-wrenching stuff
was this his facing darkness episode? I'll give it a listen later
Posted on 4/18/18 at 9:58 am to celltech1981
It’s episode 31, entitled “Book Review: 4 Hours in My Lai”. Seems like every episode is about facing darkness, though.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 10:01 am to LSU316
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So that might be right....I wonder what would have happened if we would have just sat back and let those countries amass power and influence in that region. You think they would have sat back and just let us do our thing (our thing being freedom, democracy, and capitalism) once they thought they had the might to challenge us?
The hatred from those regimes toward America was real at some level.
If I remember correctly, the US got freaked out because in an upcoming election, all of the Vietnamese were probably going to choose Ho Chi Minh. If we had just sat back and let that happen, we probably could have had friendly relations with Vietnam.
This post was edited on 4/18/18 at 10:02 am
Posted on 4/18/18 at 10:02 am to celltech1981
Thompson spent his last years living in Lafayette. Wrote a book on his ordeal. Met him when we served jury duty together for a couple of day. Heck of a guy.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 10:04 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Nobody is saying it is a subject of debate
Except you're saying that America is "no different" than any other country. "Any other country" includes Pol Pot's Cambodia, Mao's China, Stalin's Soviet Union and Hitler's Germany.
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it's absurd you'd feel the need to even go there.
Your move.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 10:08 am to GetCocky11
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If we had just sat back and let that happen, we probably could have had friendly relations with Vietnam.
Could be.....but it would have been a calculated risk at very least.
I just think the Nazi regime was just too fresh for our leaders at the time to take those type of diplomatic calculated risks. Now you can disagree with that position and disparage the decisions....BUT at the time I wonder if any of us would have done anything differently?
This post was edited on 4/18/18 at 10:08 am
Posted on 4/18/18 at 10:10 am to LSU316
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You think they would have sat back and just let us do our thing (our thing being freedom, democracy, and capitalism) once they thought they had the might to challenge us?
I think they most likely would have left us alone. I doubt the Communists would have had the stones to interfere with us much less attack/invade us just because we allowed them a strong foothold in Southeast Asia
Posted on 4/18/18 at 10:13 am to jchamil
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I think they most likely would have left us alone. I doubt the Communists would have had the stones to interfere with us much less attack/invade us just because we allowed them a strong foothold in Southeast Asia
Again that is a risky assumption that our leadership at the time was too snake bit to make I think.
It's easy to 2nd guess though.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 10:22 am to Lsupimp
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We certainly aren’t pure but we have always been virtuous.
You guys think this was bad? Try reading up on the American Indian wars conducted after the Civil War and before the 20th Century. Too many My Lai type incidents to count.
Pure calculated genocide
This post was edited on 4/18/18 at 10:23 am
Posted on 4/18/18 at 10:24 am to 14&Counting
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Pure calculated genocide
yup. part of the reason the buffalo were killed off was to starve the indians. a small part but still a part.
if you want to see some more rough shite america has done read up on the spanish/american war and what was done in the Philippines. they had concentration camps there with up to 20% death rates.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 10:29 am to GetCocky11
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If I remember correctly, the US got freaked out because in an upcoming election, all of the Vietnamese were probably going to choose Ho Chi Minh. If we had just sat back and let that happen, we probably could have had friendly relations with Vietnam.
I don't remember all the particulars, but basically the Viet Minh, led by Ho Chi Minh, were fighting a war of independence from French Colonialism. After Dien Bien Phu, the French hung it up. The peace agreement (The Geneva Accords of 1954, I think it's called) partitioned French Indochina into Laos, Cambodia, North Vietnam and South Vietnam. The two Vietnams were to be re-unified in an election a few years later. I don't think the election was ever held because America didn't like the way it looked like it was going to turn out.
We were fighting to prevent the spread of communism. The Vietnamese were fighting a civil war between Uncle Ho's version of Socialism and corrupt politicians in Saigon trying to hold on to their fiefdom. The average peasant wading around in his rice paddy didn't give a frick either way.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 10:35 am to 14&Counting
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You guys think this was bad? Try reading up on the American Indian wars conducted after the Civil War and before the 20th Century. Too many My Lai type incidents to count. Pure calculated genocide
The U.S. fricked the Indians HARD! We stole almost an entire continent from them and killed most of them off in the process. They deserve their casinos.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 10:38 am to celltech1981
And don't forget this POS congressman who tried to shun Thompson and have him court martialed for aiming a weapon at US soldiers.
Mendel Rivers
Mendel Rivers
Posted on 4/18/18 at 10:39 am to terd ferguson
No, a blue falcon gets everyone's three day pass revoked.
The massacre of civilians is a cut and dried war crime. They should have been tried and executed.
The massacre of civilians is a cut and dried war crime. They should have been tried and executed.
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