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re: Huge data center approved with 'aggressive timeline to build' in far northern BR suburbs
Posted on 1/7/25 at 9:22 am to coastland909
Posted on 1/7/25 at 9:22 am to coastland909
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the plan is to lease the center to an undisclosed tenant, which will then buy computers and equipment. Trettel said Hut 8 serves as a developer for technology companies that need more computer infrastructure than they can build.
The tenants of the data center will purchase $10 billion worth of computers and equipment, Havard said.
Who do you know of that has $10 billion laying around?
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Posted on 1/7/25 at 9:32 am to GumboPot
Inside these data centers there are 2 sources of noise. The water pumps for the heat exchangers and the disk storage. The pumps aren’t too bad but the high frequency whine of disk drives is bad.
So, the water used to cool the electronic components is a closed loop to a heat exchanger. There is zero water consumption in this system. This water then goes outside to evaporative cooling. If these systems are near large bodies of water such as the river then the evaporative cooling could be replaced with closed loops placed in the water. Think of it as a very very large heat pump.
My understanding is that many of these centers use systems built by Vertiv but every data center I’ve been in used either Libert or Motivair.
So, the water used to cool the electronic components is a closed loop to a heat exchanger. There is zero water consumption in this system. This water then goes outside to evaporative cooling. If these systems are near large bodies of water such as the river then the evaporative cooling could be replaced with closed loops placed in the water. Think of it as a very very large heat pump.
My understanding is that many of these centers use systems built by Vertiv but every data center I’ve been in used either Libert or Motivair.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 9:36 am to frequent flyer
Asian population of St. Fran about to go up by at least 50
Posted on 1/7/25 at 9:43 am to zippyputt
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St. Fran is not a suburb of BR. Neither is New Roads. Where do you stop? BR burb of NOLA, you can commute? Hammond of BR, BR of Hammond etc… Who is a suburb of who?
It is a distinct and separate community.
St Francisville is maybe just a tab over 30 miles from BR but it definitely is in the BR Metro area as is Greensburg and greensburg appears to be closer to hammond.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 9:50 am to cypresstiger
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Asian population of St. Fran about to go up by at least 50
It’s going to be HVAC techs, electricians and a few ITT grads to swap parts. All the high paying jobs will be remote
Posted on 1/7/25 at 9:50 am to hob
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but the high frequency whine of disk drives is bad.
It’s the fans, not disk drives.
Notwithstanding that not a single one of these servers will even have a disk drive.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 9:55 am to Meauxjeaux
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Notwithstanding that not a single one of these servers will even have a disk drive.
True, but all that data is stored on something. I haven’t checked prices but spinning storage is still cheaper than solid state.
They will have a global file system of some kind
Posted on 1/7/25 at 9:55 am to Meauxjeaux
Double post
This post was edited on 1/7/25 at 9:57 am
Posted on 1/7/25 at 10:03 am to GumboPot
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I have not check but the available power supply with water resources make southern Louisiana attractive for data centers. The downside is Hurricanes and potential power outages...but there are ways to mitigate around this.
I am not making the argument that LA could not support these datacenters, they absolutely can.
These big companies are attracted to these beaten down areas due to very low costs.
However, while it looks good in the press. This is a big nothing for 50 freaking jobs. IF you are going to give them a bunch of breaks to move there, the city should be asking for more in return.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 10:08 am to Meauxjeaux
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Maintaining a baseball field does the exact same thing. Maybe we should bulldoze every single baseball field in the world.
These are the same people who hate golf for this so yeah
Posted on 1/7/25 at 10:16 am to hob
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but the high frequency whine of disk drives is bad.
I'm pretty that the tinnitus I have is from all of the years I have spent in data centers.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 10:17 am to goofball
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Tell me more about the recurring water demands for a data center.
Do you mean you don't spray your XBox 360 down with a trickle of water when you play Halo 2?
Gonna get the ring of death goofball.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 10:18 am to Paul Allen
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St. Francisville has been talked about being the next big suburb of Baton Rouge for almost 30 years now.
West Fel and Pointe Coupee fight development pretty hard - at least closer to St Francisville and New Roads.
They’ll grow slowly, but I don’t think the people there want their neighborhoods to feel like Covington or Prarieville.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 10:20 am to Tarps99
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That ought to increase traffic counts on that bridge by a few dozen cars each day.
I saw another car on it once.
Meanwhile Baton Rouge can’t get another bridge built at all.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 10:20 am to Meauxjeaux
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Maintaining a baseball field does the exact same thing. Maybe we should bulldoze every single baseball field in the world.
Kill the ball fields! They use water and electricity!
Posted on 1/7/25 at 10:27 am to Powerman
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I don't think anyone is saying that it isn't attainable. We're just pointing out that extra infrastructure will need to be built out to support these facilities.
It’s not really even that. It’s a question of whether they are using groundwater or clarifying river water. If they are clarifying river water, it’s a non-issue. We certainly aren’t at risk of running the Mississippi River dry (there are other parts of the country where this is less true, but not here).
If they are using municipal water or drilling into the aquifer, that’s a different conversation. Prior to 2019, over half of the groundwater usage in East Baton Rouge Parish was industrial. Today that’s down to ~40% largely due to the closure of the Georgia Pacific plant.
Of course it’s more complicated than that in reality as different users are drilling to different depths within the aquifer system. My understanding is that most of the industrial users are drilling fairly shallow compared to the wells for public supply. While I don’t think one data center is likely to make a major difference in the long-term health of the aquifer, I do think people are right to scrutinize industrial usage of groundwater in general.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 10:43 am to GeauxPanthers2
Who is they and what are the metrics?
Posted on 1/7/25 at 10:46 am to frequent flyer
Will be a massive boost in income for the parish while it’s constructed, but only 50 permanent jobs?z I’m sure they will get massive tax incentives. Seems like they’re destroying a natural hunting area for not a lot of long term benefits.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 10:47 am to BugAC
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It's in an entirely different parish.
So, by that logic Maurice is not a suburb of Lafayette?
People can travel from one parish to another for work.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 10:52 am to MyNameIsNobody
It’s “tad” btw. There is no real definition of suburb that makes St Fran a suburb of BR strictly speaking.
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