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Posted on 1/28/18 at 5:42 pm to crazycubes
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ETA : because the casino dealer messed up, the pit boss should give both players 800 bucks to make it easy, $800 is not that much money for casino, but that's just my Opinion
This is the only answer in my opinion. Why should player B be penalized because the dealer made a HUGE MISTAKE by showing his cards? This gives player A more knowledge for future hands because he has now gotten a "free" read because of the dealers lack of knowledge of the rules.
This post was edited on 1/28/18 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 1/28/18 at 5:45 pm to PeteRose
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I was out of town last week and was killing some time by playing some cards(no limit holdem). This incident came up. The pot was around 800.
On the river, player A bets 200. Player B thinks about it and then finally makes the call. Player A turns up his hand. Player B looks at them and say "nice hand". Player B folds his cards face down. Player A then says to the dealer "I want to see his hand". Dealer did his thing and then turns player B's cards face up. Apparently, player B misread his hand and actually had the winning hand. So a now we have a big argument between the 2 players. Other players were chiming in also. The manager was called over and was told of the situation.
So who gets the pot?
Actually, if the winning player ask to see the losing player's hand, both hands become live and the winning hand wins... I am sure it all happened too fast. Guy accidently turns up his hand, other guy sees it and says "fold".
The dealer could have made a ruling since player A showed his hand before he should have, but if player B sees the hand and says "fold" then I am sure the dealer assumed the hand was over. Why would the winner request to see the losing hand? Either way, this seemed to be one of those rare situations that happened too fast.
If I was making the call, I would have made both of them leave the table, ruled it a misdeal and let the pot be apart of the next hand just because they were both idiots.
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Any player who has been dealt in can request to see any hand that has been called, even if the opponent's hand or the winning hand has been mucked. However, this is a privilege that can be revoked if abused. If a player other than the pot winner asks to see a hand that has been folded, that hand is dead. If the winning player asks to see a losing player's hand, both hands are live, and the best hand wins.
Posted on 1/28/18 at 5:48 pm to ThatMakesSense
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True to form, your post is lengthy and is wrong.
True to form you are an idiot. It quotes a rule and provides the link. So that would mean, I am not wrong.. The site is.. Idiot.
This post was edited on 1/28/18 at 5:57 pm
Posted on 1/28/18 at 5:56 pm to LCA131
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Don't add anything to the o p, you dolt. Where does it say that player b spoke the word "fold"?
He said nice hand and put his cards down, but not in the muck pile.
Well, if you push your cards away, without turning them over, towards the dealer, that is a fold. You do not have to verbally say "fold". If you have your hand in front of you and do nothing, you are still "live" so while player B didn't say fold, his action was a formal signal that he did fold.
How are you LCA?
Posted on 1/28/18 at 6:11 pm to OweO
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Well, if you push your cards away, without turning them over, towards the dealer, that is a fold. You do not have to verbally say "fold". If you have your hand in front of you and do nothing, you are still "live" so while player B didn't say fold, his action was a formal signal that he did fold.
But the hand isn't folded. It would have been if it had been placed in the muck by either the player or the dealer. Simply putting your cards down is not folding. Pushing them in can be a sign that you want to fold, but if they are not put in the muck then they are still alive.
Since it wasn't, and player A asked to see the cards they were turned over. The winner was then determined to be B because he had a better hand.
It is an unusual hand, but all the rules were followed to the letter.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 5:29 am to OweO
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This wasn't in a casino, but there is a place that has a hold em tournament every Monday and there is usually anywhere between 15-25 players playing (just depends on that week, who has to work, work late, etc).
One night I had a pair of Aces and an Ace came up on the flop so I had 3 A's. It came down to me and another guy, I raised and he folded. He showed his hand. He had.. I think a 10 and Q (same suit). On the flop, an A, Q and maybe a 5 or something came up. The turn and river were the same suit so there were 3 cards of the same suit on the table. Since I was the only one who didn't fold, he called. I checked through, then after the river I made a pretty big raise. I didn't think he was chasing the flush, if he wasn't he wouldn't have beat 3 As. He folded and showed his hand. Someone pointed out to him he had a flush, he just shrugged his shoulders.. It didn't matter because he folded. Like I said, this wasn't a game being run by a professional dealer or anything, but everyone knows.. If you fold, it doesn't matter.
I wanna play in this shitty game.
You flopped a set, checked the turn with a straight and now a flush draw on the board, and got lucky that you were playing an idiot. Don't do that, baw. Just bet your hands in a low limit hold em game.
North Louisiana folks should know whether player a or player b gets the pot, bc you guys had one of the best floor guys in the world at the Horseshoe.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 6:18 am to PeteRose
What am I missing here?
End of that hand, shuffle up and deal. Unless OP isn’t telling story correctly
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Player B folds his cards face down.
End of that hand, shuffle up and deal. Unless OP isn’t telling story correctly
Posted on 1/29/18 at 6:27 am to UnoMe
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What am I missing here?
he called and didn't muck (although apparently, even then the cards can still be retrieved)
there are all sorts of anti-collusion rules in poker. this is one of them
another (that even pros frick up sometimes) is in a tournament if you close the action, you MUST bet the nuts on the river or you get a severe penalty. it's an anti-collusion rule (that i'm sure is the rule in some cash games around the world, too)
Posted on 1/29/18 at 6:33 am to SlowFlowPro
Too many rules.
I’ll stick to bourré.
I’ll stick to bourré.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 7:00 am to Ham Solo
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Hang out in a card room for a couple days and you will see this multiple times. People get distracted. Usually happens when someone is chasing a flush and they hit a straight and don't see it because they were so focused on a flush.
Yeh, but they didn't check down. He's not flat-callibg a big river bet with a busted flush.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 7:11 am to oleyeller
I think B wins, but the only exception is if he mucks by throwing the cards into a muck where they touch any other cards. Once they touch another card they are dead
Posted on 1/29/18 at 7:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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What am I missing here?
he called and didn't muck (although apparently, even then the cards can still be retrieved)
there are all sorts of anti-collusion rules in poker. this is one of them
another (that even pros frick up sometimes) is in a tournament if you close the action, you MUST bet the nuts on the river or you get a severe penalty. it's an anti-collusion rule (that i'm sure is the rule in some cash games around the world, too)
He did call. He did muck.
The rule is that a mucking player's hand is live if his opponent at show down asks to see his hand. However, it is killed if any other player asks to see his hand.
That is common knowledge for any regular in a poker room.
While typing, I wondered about another scenario. What would happen in a 3 way showdown? Ex: A, B, and C all call the river bet. A and B show; B wins; A asks to see C's mucked hand; C beats B. Would the rule only apply to the player asking? Huh.
With regard to the tournament rule...
It should be stiffer. A hand or round isn't enough. It's fricking collusion. There's no other reason to check the nuts last. Playing nice nice is bad enough in a cash game, but it's ridiculous in a tournament.
In poker, everything changes everything. Don't change it over stupid shite.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 8:35 am to Ham Solo
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Absolutely wrong
No, it is not.
Any player dealt in a hand is entitled to request to see ANY players hand if the hand goes to a showdown on the river.
In this horribly shitty description of what happened by the OP, player A wins the pot because player B failed to expose his own hand.
100% of floor supervisors are going to make this ruling, including myself.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 8:41 am to PeteRose
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How would you make this poker ruling?
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PeteRose
Checks out
Posted on 1/29/18 at 9:00 am to Florida225
This kills B's hand.
This guy gets it
This guy gets it
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