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re: How would you handle the arrest of this woman?

Posted on 8/25/19 at 9:49 am to
Posted by RougeDawg
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Posted on 8/25/19 at 9:49 am to
They are policemen, not bouncers. Any 70 year old from the OT could have got her in the unit without the face plant.
Posted by Steadyhands
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Posted on 8/25/19 at 9:51 am to
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That right there was one trashy bitch who deserved a good wake up call in life


It's the cops job to administer those wake up calls eh?

By slamming her face into concrete when she was no threat to anyone?


Based on her actions, cops were called, and that's when they became the ones to administer the wake up call...he didn't slam her face into the ground....she resisted arrest and got dealt with accordingly. If you're going to resist arrest, expect that there will be more force coming back your way...she could have had the hand cuffs placed on her while standing....she chose the option to taste concrete. Also, she had a free hand and was apparently so drunk she could not catch herself from a face plant... And then her pathetic trashy cries, "I hope you rot in hell.". And the attempt to spit at him later....lol stupid bitch acted even bitchier and trashier after she got handled...she's not going to get paid shite....any sensible judge would dismiss that lawsuit with the quickness.
This post was edited on 8/25/19 at 9:54 am
Posted by yellowfin
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Posted on 8/25/19 at 10:00 am to
She’ll receive a sub $5k check which her attorney will take 40% of. He’ll get a day suspension with no pay. She’ll buy booze a meth with it and eventually end up in jail
Posted by TheOtherWhiteMeat
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Posted on 8/25/19 at 10:03 am to
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She’ll buy booze a meth with it and eventually end up in jail


She's going to end up in jail regardless, the resisting arrest alone will give her jail time.

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She’ll receive a sub $5k check


It'll be more than that.

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which her attorney will take 40% of.


Yep.

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He’ll get a day suspension with no pay.


I've got a week, any takers?
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
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Posted on 8/25/19 at 10:04 am to
Dumbass
Posted by LSUAngelHere1
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Posted on 8/25/19 at 10:08 am to
He never cared about the truth. He went in to it assuming her guilt & every question was condescending. Terrible cop.
Posted by davyjones
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Posted on 8/25/19 at 10:09 am to
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And the fact HE hasn't seen her do anything is pointless. She WAS SEEN by others.

The fact that the DA declined to pursue a burglary case against her is very telling here. The cop was somehow fully convinced of the crime, obviously, yet the DA opined that there wasn't even a close call case. The DA will bring cases all day every day that arent open and shut, slam dunks. So they landed on not even a possible weak case that could justify rolling the dice. They do it all the time.

That is essentially a vote of no confidence by the DA's office that'll be used in the lawsuit to demonstrate gross negligence on officer's part.
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 8/25/19 at 10:11 am to
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Who will win the battle of pussy privilege vs badge privilege.


Pussy Privilege with a partial win. The state of Arizona will settle the case with a pay-out to her. Maybe not huge, but, she will get paid.

She's 36. She's running out of time. Her Sexual Market Value is rapidly declining and that's all she has. So, she's really going to need the money.
Posted by LCA131
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Posted on 8/25/19 at 10:13 am to
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fact that the DA declined to pursue a burglary case against her is very telling here. The cop was somehow fully convinced of the crime, obviously, yet the DA opined that there wasn't even a close call case. The DA will bring cases all day every day that arent open and shut, slam dunks. So they landed on not even a possible weak case that could justify rolling the dice. They do it all the time


Lol.

Or her ex decided not to press charges.
Posted by SlapahoeTribe
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 8/25/19 at 10:15 am to
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thought they were professional.
I’d mostly agree.

There’s two issues at play here that I see:

One: Do you think the police should have the authority to detain someone that they’re not ready to arrest for a particular crime? I’m going to lean more towards no. As that would apply in this case, I would’ve preferred he be more straightforward and tell her “ma’am, I need you to stand up and put your hands behind your back because I’m placing you under arrest for the crime of (whatever).” I’m not a fan of chatting her up for five minutes and casually saying “I’m about to put you in handcuffs.” Either you’re going to deny someone their freedom and arrest them for a specific crime or they should be free to leave. I think if you’re not ready to arrest, and they’re not a threat, then you shouldn’t be ready to get physical with someone to simply detain them.

Two: How he/they acted towards her. I’d say it appears that he may have allowed her too much rope and that could be why she ‘resisted’? Maybe this should be a good teaching opportunity to the force on how to better handle such a situation, but I wouldn’t say that anyone should be censured for their actions. My objection is mainly to the procedure and not to the officer’s handling of this particular situation; if anything, he was too nice in the beginning.



But in the eyes of a jury it’s not going to play well that they showed zero compassion to a lady profusely bleeding. Head injuries, even minor ones, bleed a lot, but most of the public are going to be shocked to see that much blood coming for someone in such a short amount of time. The police initially seemed like they didn’t even notice it, which we know they did, but it’ll appear to the layman that she’s being denied medical attention.

Add to that the fact that this was younger lady who was just a little drunk and didn’t commit a violent crime ... I think she gets paid. Not saying I agree with it, but her story IMO will play well with the jury.
Posted by davyjones
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Posted on 8/25/19 at 10:19 am to
Nah, DA can proceed regardless and given the potential fallout in the civil action that no doubt was being discussed as a potential upcoming problem for the officer, department, city, etc....not a chance they voluntarily cede that arrow in the quiver to a plaintiff in that situation.

You proceed anyway, call the victim to the stand, if he doesn't appear or is uncooperative, well then at least the DA pursued a case that they deemed justified.

No case because there was no burglary or attempt of burglary.
Posted by Champagne
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 8/25/19 at 10:19 am to
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911 caller: You aren’t coming out here? Police: No sir. The chance that we might encounter the non-violent offender and that a physical confrontation may develop are too high. Lawsuits and public sentiment have taught us that it is preferable that we don’t antagonize the situation. But we will be happy to take a report over the phone. Much safer for everyone. Thanks and have a great night.


Exactly the truth.

If I were a cop, I would simply stop "policing" in order to avoid antagonizing the offender and the neighborhood. I wouldn't respond to a situation until after the "citizens" have stopped shooting and fighting. Then I'd go in, knock on doors and see if anybody saw anything. After they all say "No I didn't see anything" then I'd leave.

Our society is increasingly opposed to being "policed", so, I'd act accordingly.
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 8/25/19 at 10:21 am to
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this was younger lady


36 is a "younger lady"?
Posted by LCA131
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Posted on 8/25/19 at 10:27 am to
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Nah, DA can proceed regardless


I'm not currently practicing as an attorney, but I have watched a good bit of law & order. Exactly what case would the DEA be pursuing? There has to be charges filed and you have no complainant.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Posted by MightyYat
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Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 8/25/19 at 10:34 am to
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She's going to end up in jail regardless, the resisting arrest alone will give her jail time.


She’s not going to jail.

Why exactly was he putting her in cuffs in the first place? Seems like that situation went from 1–100mph in the blink of an eye.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
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Posted on 8/25/19 at 10:36 am to
You guys amaze me. She won't get paid, she resisted arrest and he was trying to control her, not his fault she face planted, good grief.

You can't reward stupid, or at least you shouldn't.
Posted by MightyYat
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Posted on 8/25/19 at 10:39 am to
Why was she being arrested? Is it because people said she was breaking in to the ex’s truck?
Posted by LCA131
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Posted on 8/25/19 at 10:43 am to
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Why was she being arrested


she wasn't at first. She was being questioned and when she was unresponsive and uncooperative, and then tried to leave, he was going to detain her for further questioning. Then she resisted arrest and then you have this argument.

But the initial call was because she was trying to break into a truck and was seen by people in the apartments who called it in.

Posted by davyjones
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Posted on 8/25/19 at 10:46 am to
Well you dont need a thumbs up or down from a victim for an arrest to be made. The arrest report would go to the DA's office wherein an independent assessment is then made to either file a bill of information with the court reflecting the exact charges the officer booked the defendant on, or the DA can add charges, or decline some charges but keep some, or decline all charges.

Although a victim can request charges be dropped, the ultimate decision is reserved by the DA, who is the representative of "the people" or "the state" i.e. State of XYZ versus Defendant, as opposed to Victim versus Defendant.

***And it was apparent the cuffs were going on during the active conversation about burglary, pre-efforts to leave and pre-scuffle. I would hope the officer followed through with booking on the alleged crime for which the cuffs were going on.
This post was edited on 8/25/19 at 10:50 am
Posted by Hangit
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Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 8/25/19 at 10:47 am to
She blew over .19 and pled guilty to the DUI. Are there any updates on the lawsuit?

She, by law, does not have to answer any of his questions. She does have to identify herself, but only if he suspects her of a specific crime.

He took it way overboard by escalating it like he did with a clearly non-violent, small woman. She was a bitch, but is being a bitch a crime?

What do his steroid toxicology reports show?
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