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re: How to apply for Government Jobs

Posted on 5/17/16 at 7:21 am to
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
76148 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 7:21 am to
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Find the shittiest ranger posting out there
Natchez Trace Parkway is raising it's hand.

I know someone who did exactly this, got on with the NPS as a ranger on the Trace and eventually got transferred to US Fish & Wildlife and (eventually) his dream job. His first posting with FWS was at the Port of Long Beach (CA, NOT MS, who knew there was another one?) in an armpit situation. After several years at Long Beach he was able to get a better FWS job and then after a few more years an even better one...

Moral- it takes a long-term strategic plan and patience.
This post was edited on 5/17/16 at 7:23 am
Posted by Tdot_RiverDawg
Member since May 2015
1731 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 7:24 am to
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The trick is to put damn near every word of the job posting in your resume. Be creative, a computer goes through and makes the initial matches and that's the toughest hurtle.

Search key terms like physics, metrology...apply to every one in the country that you're interested in. They'll likely move you. Some places may not be as 'diverse' as it is down here and your willingness to move will help.

There are state jobs too.



This is good advice, but getting through the computer scan of the resume was the easy part for my brother. He made it to the selecting officials desk for 12 jobs before he landed one. The thing that helped him the most was that the selecting official recognized his name from a previous relationship and he was brought in for an interview. Also, a lot of these jobs already have people in mind when they are announced.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
33900 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 7:31 am to
quote:

Volod

I'd recommend you not do government work as an engineer. i know it's tough when you need a job getting out of school, but you should try and hold out for a private sector job. A lot of people have to wait 6 months after graduating to find a job now, it's not an abnormal thing for sure
Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
Member since Aug 2008
41694 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 7:36 am to
That's good advice for engineers with a traditional undergrad who can go into design and/or follow the route to be a PE. Have you read this guy's posts?
Posted by BestBanker
Member since Nov 2011
19723 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 7:42 am to
1. Apply for jobs in the private sector (that is every other opportunity not owned by the government) that you would like to do.

2. Earn money.

3. Pay income and sales taxes.

4. Success! You now work for the government!
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
91101 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 7:44 am to
literally governmentjobs.com. I've actually found a job on there before.

LINK

Posted by Swoopin
Member since Jun 2011
22046 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 7:46 am to
you really took the long arc on this troll didn't you?
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
33900 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 8:07 am to
He has a masters, he's qualified for most entry level positions in the field, even considering where it's from
Posted by Pectus
Internet
Member since Apr 2010
67302 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 8:09 am to
usajobs.gov.

They let you upload a resume and other things (certifications) you may need as well as answer the pre-questions you always get.

So when it comes time to applying it takes less than 10 minutes versus 30-45 minutes on other sites/through other avenues.

You can also apply for 2 positions at different GS levels at once. Pretty easy.
Posted by zmanthetigerfan
Prairieville, LA
Member since Oct 2015
889 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 8:13 am to
Just left the public sector after 3 years and moved to the private so here's my input:

-I was in HR, two different agencies. It is pretty much total luck of the draw if we view your application or not. For one position we can get 300+ applications, neither agency used any sort of word matching software like previously mentioned. The state is in the stone age after all and that is private sector shite
-you will need to take the PLE or engineering test prior to even applying to any jobs or it will automatically void your application and you just wasted your time. It's easy and takes about 3 hours of your time, you take it at the Wildlife and Fisheries building off Florida iirc
-You come off as a completely useless moron who can't do anything without anyone else's help, exactly what the state wants so you'll certainly be hired shortly.
-99% of the people I worked with were southern/university of Phoenix grads and I can't say I've ever worked with a bigger group of dumbasses.
Good luck, office politics play a part in everything there. Don't ever plan on being promoted unless you want to shite on everyone else.
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
70128 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 8:16 am to
Shouldn't have gone to southern.

Go to the Army, go through OCS, and try to go through the engineering branch
Posted by DoUrden
UnderDark
Member since Oct 2011
26320 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 8:18 am to
I applied to work for the Civil Service in the field I served in the Navy and I am a veteran. I got all the paperwork in and passed the background check. I checked back occasionally over the months and got the same answer every time "the paperwork is in Washington for approval." About 14 months later I got a call saying "we just want to see if you are still interested, you are not approved yet we are just checking." I told them I was no longer interested.
This post was edited on 5/17/16 at 8:20 am
Posted by zmanthetigerfan
Prairieville, LA
Member since Oct 2015
889 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 8:19 am to
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i wish I could land an engineering tech position

Also, do you even read job descriptions? This is shoveling gravel and dirt and shite on the side of the road for $12 an hour. After like 10 years you get to move into an office and mix mud all day. This is one of the highest turnover positions we had.
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18919 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 8:32 am to
quote:

most have done internships while my experience is very limited.


You weren't aware of the 1-2 years of experience required for an entry level job?

Your predicament is the exact reason why engineering students generally take advantage of co-op opportunities.
Posted by Quidam65
Q Continuum
Member since Jun 2010
20520 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 8:42 am to
USAJobs is the official one. That is likely your best bet to become an official taxpayer-supported leech.
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
76148 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 9:28 am to
quote:

Shouldn't have gone to southern.
A universal truth.

There shouldn't even BE a Southern for ANYONE to go to and screw up their futures.
Posted by Yewkindewit
Near Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Apr 2012
22017 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 9:31 am to
Ah gots yo stem hanging right heaunh!
Posted by cfa626
Member since Apr 2016
561 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 11:32 am to
quote:

I always figured that this was the best way to become a park ranger. Find the shittiest ranger posting out there just to get in the door, then once you have a couple years under your belt, try to transfer to a more desirable location.


Yeah, I knew a guy who did this. Moved to the middle of fricking NOWHERE.
But then got to move to California a few years later.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 11:40 am to
read the jobs carefully and if you see a pattern drag your resume into conformity.

use free tutorials online. I presume you know some computer language.
keep it up. if you have not written code in 2 years, write a little program.

if you know SQL, use it. Download a free subset. Keep in practice.

do pretend interviews. get really good at talking about whatever projects you did in college. BE POSITIVE.

one thing they will ask you is what are your weak points. Think about it and end up talking about things any HR person would want.
I NEED to succeed. I have to stay late some times if I feel like I am close to a solution.

work on the resume once a week. stay on it.

you can do it.

PS. the guys suggesting you take just about anything to get into the feds have the right idea, but you may be able to get in the department you want to be in if you take a much lower paying job with only some technical requirements. Be a tester. Do anything related to what you really want to do so you get close. Then when openings happen, you can bid. STAY IN THE GAME. be serious about every aspect. learn every week. after you are in a month or two, look for mentors, coaches.
This post was edited on 5/17/16 at 11:46 am
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
70128 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 11:56 am to
What aggravates me about this is, he was told many times by many posters, myself included that he should have stayed at tech or do something else, not go to southern.

I was banned for seven months and I still saw his topics he posted.

I'm sure the op is a genuine good guy, just maybe misguided a little bit.

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