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re: How smart is your average police officer?
Posted on 5/19/17 at 9:20 am to TheCurmudgeon
Posted on 5/19/17 at 9:20 am to TheCurmudgeon
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He gave up and "let me go" when my daughter started laughing at him for not understanding that.
Your daughter is lucky she didn't get shot, tbh
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Posted on 5/19/17 at 9:21 am to Pecker
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Your daughter is lucky she didn't get shot, tbh
He would have been justified I think. People need to respect authority.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 9:24 am to Pecker
have we discussed the police departments that have policies of not allowing smart people to be police? if not, i'll post links
This post was edited on 5/19/17 at 9:24 am
Posted on 5/19/17 at 9:24 am to Covingtontiger77
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As times have gotten more and more difficult in this environment to "police" i
it's not the 80s and 90s anymore. it's a lot easier today than in that era
Posted on 5/19/17 at 9:26 am to SlowFlowPro
That's an actual thing these days?
Posted on 5/19/17 at 9:27 am to SlowFlowPro
OK i see no discussion about IQ caps
this department capped IQs of applicants at about 125
this department capped IQs of applicants at about 125
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Jordan, a 49-year-old college graduate, took the exam in 1996 and scored 33 points, the equivalent of an IQ of 125. But New London police interviewed only candidates who scored 20 to 27, on the theory that those who scored too high could get bored with police work and leave soon after undergoing costly training.
Most Cops Just Above Normal The average score nationally for police officers is 21 to 22, the equivalent of an IQ of 104, or just a little above average.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 9:27 am to SidewalkDawg
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People need to respect authority.
No, people do not need to respect authority. That is an asinine premise.
People with authority need to treat their authority with respect.
When the people with authority treat their authority with respect, the people subject to that authority will respect the person with the authority.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 9:29 am to Pecker
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But I can't help but feel that a large segment of police officers aren't the brightest bulbs in the box.
Depends on what department they work for. You are going to get some top shelf officers that make it on as State Police or in in Texas, DPS. City and sheriff department level, it's a roll of the dice. At the small town level, you probably nailed it with this.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 9:31 am to TheCurmudgeon
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No, people do not need to respect authority. That is an asinine premise.
People with authority need to treat their authority with respect.
When the people with authority treat their authority with respect, the people subject to that authority will respect the person with the authority.
People with authority always treat authority with respect, because they respect authority. The people subject to that authority need to respect the authorith that the aurthorities have and was given to them by the authority they respect.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 9:32 am to MWP
yes that distinction is crucial
there are a lot of intelligent police officers, but they're typically older and involved in special units or are detectives in bigger areas. your small town forces, esp in a place like LA with such a large underclass and lack of intelligence in general, are going to have some really intellectually deficient officers
the problem is that the IQ issues are skewed towards patrol cops, and these are your primary force that actually interacts with the community and the criminal element at the point of conflict. this raises the chance of mistakes made because the chance of conflict is increased on patrol
there are a lot of intelligent police officers, but they're typically older and involved in special units or are detectives in bigger areas. your small town forces, esp in a place like LA with such a large underclass and lack of intelligence in general, are going to have some really intellectually deficient officers
the problem is that the IQ issues are skewed towards patrol cops, and these are your primary force that actually interacts with the community and the criminal element at the point of conflict. this raises the chance of mistakes made because the chance of conflict is increased on patrol
Posted on 5/19/17 at 9:36 am to Pecker
I'm smart enough to know dealing with the public and endangering myself is no way to make a living.
The smart ones don't apply. So technically all applicants are smart enough for the force.
The smart ones don't apply. So technically all applicants are smart enough for the force.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 9:40 am to Pecker
LSP guys are decently smart on average, I think a four year degree is required. Small town Louisiana? Bunch of overweight, tattooed, idiots making $9/hr. They're in those positions to make up for being bullied in high school and having a 2.2 gpa.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 9:45 am to SlowFlowPro
My solution I've always thought was to hire every street beat officer starting at $80-100K and make the training competitive- or more so than normal.
Your candidates would skyrocket and you'd see smarter and better policing on the day to day.
You've got to incentivize your candidate pool if you want the best. Police work isn't all routine, it takes being analytical and instincts.
Your candidates would skyrocket and you'd see smarter and better policing on the day to day.
You've got to incentivize your candidate pool if you want the best. Police work isn't all routine, it takes being analytical and instincts.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 9:46 am to Pecker
LSP require 4 years of college enrollment or 4 years of military duty just to apply. Most of the LSP Ive dealt with are professional, courteous and friendly. ALL of the local PD personnel Ive dealt with were ignorant, unprofessional and either didnt know or didnt care about the law.
The difference was so stark that I actually considered joining the LSP at one point because I was so impressed with the fact that you good be a good guy and a decent human being and still be a cop. Thats a pretty sad indictment on LE in general.
The difference was so stark that I actually considered joining the LSP at one point because I was so impressed with the fact that you good be a good guy and a decent human being and still be a cop. Thats a pretty sad indictment on LE in general.
This post was edited on 5/19/17 at 9:49 am
Posted on 5/19/17 at 9:47 am to Pecker
Depending on the area, roughly 50-70th percentile in intelligence. Good enough, really. I think training and police culture is more of a problem than intelligence level.
Alas, I have no solution to the general problem of human depravity that is at the root of these things.
Alas, I have no solution to the general problem of human depravity that is at the root of these things.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 9:54 am to NIH
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Small town Louisiana? Bunch of overweight, tattooed, idiots making $9/hr. They're in those positions to make up for being bullied in high school and having a 2.2 gpa.
As SFP said, a lot of these guys and beat cops from larger departments are the ones interacting most with the community. I feel that, on average, you're much more likely to be dealing with an officer who is incompetent. These are the guys on the front lines, making life and death decisions.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 9:55 am to FulshearTiger
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The average group of anything is probably pretty stupid sans like doctors and lawyers.
Lawyers are usually high functioning autists, alcoholics, or just plain idiots who somehow limped through the bar exam. I say this as a member of said group, and I would place myself in the "average" category at best.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 9:59 am to Pecker
The supreme Court ruled that it is legal to discriminate against police candidates if they are too intelligent.
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So police forces have not hired people because they were smart, and they're afraid they'll get bored with the job. Forget that they may become detectives. If you're too smart, you're legally screwed.
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A man whose bid to become a police officer was rejected after he scored too high on an intelligence test has lost an appeal in his federal lawsuit against the city.
The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New York upheld a lower court’s decision that the city did not discriminate against Robert Jordan because the same standards were applied to everyone who took the test.
“This kind of puts an official face on discrimination in America against people of a certain class,” Jordan said today from his Waterford home. “I maintain you have no more control over your basic intelligence than your eye color or your gender or anything else.”
He said he does not plan to take any further legal action.
Jordan, a 49-year-old college graduate, took the exam in 1996 and scored 33 points, the equivalent of an IQ of 125. But New London police interviewed only candidates who scored 20 to 27, on the theory that those who scored too high could get bored with police work and leave soon after undergoing costly training.
So police forces have not hired people because they were smart, and they're afraid they'll get bored with the job. Forget that they may become detectives. If you're too smart, you're legally screwed.
This post was edited on 5/19/17 at 10:01 am
Posted on 5/19/17 at 10:01 am to Tarik One
Dumb enough to run into the middle of a burning building, a burning car, a shoot out, and protect the lives of some of the idiots who spew anti-police crap on this board.
Dumb enough to stand out in the middle of the heat or cold and direct traffic after some idiot on here causes a wreck.
Dumb enough to save a life, deliver a baby, take abuse from some idiot protesting, or shooting at them.
Dumb enough to stand out in the middle of the heat or cold and direct traffic after some idiot on here causes a wreck.
Dumb enough to save a life, deliver a baby, take abuse from some idiot protesting, or shooting at them.
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