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How radiation to space and the lapse rate determine surface temperature (science board)

Posted on 10/26/26 at 9:04 am
Posted by SpidermanTUba
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Earth's temperature profile is a coupled problem: sunlight supplies energy, radiation carries energy to space, and radiation plus convection shape the atmosphere below. A lapse rate gives temperature differences; the radiation budget helps anchor the absolute temperatures.

1. Start above the atmosphere

Earth intercepts sunlight over pi*R^2, but has surface area 4*pi*R^2. Global-average incoming sunlight is therefore S/4. If A is planetary albedo and OLR is outgoing thermal infrared radiation, conservation of energy gives, neglecting the tiny geothermal contribution: [1]

N = S*(1-A)/4 - OLR
N = (1/(4*pi*R^2))*dE/dt

E is energy stored in the Earth system. Positive N means heat accumulates; equilibrium means N = 0. With S approximately 1361 W/m^2 and A approximately 0.30:

Incoming sunlight: 340 W/m^2
Reflected sunlight: 102 W/m^2
Absorbed sunlight: 238 W/m^2
Required equilibrium OLR: 238 W/m^2

Convection and evaporation redistribute energy inside this boundary. Cooling to space occurs through radiation. Today's Earth has a positive energy imbalance; equilibrium is a teaching reference. [2]

2. Convert outgoing flux into an effective temperature

The Stefan-Boltzmann law is F = sigma*T^4. Define:

T_e = (OLR/sigma)^(1/4)
sigma = 5.6704*10^-8 W/(m^2*K^4)

For OLR approximately 238 W/m^2, T_e is approximately 255 K (-18 C). This is a blackbody-equivalent emission temperature, not the air temperature at the literal top of the atmosphere. Actual infrared escapes from many heights, depending on wavelength, clouds and location; some escapes directly from the surface. [3,4]

3. Connect that temperature to the surface

Let z increase upward and define the environmental lapse rate:

Gamma(z) = -dT/dz
T(0) = T(z_e) + integral from 0 to z_e of Gamma(z) dz

That integration is exact for a specified temperature profile. A simple effective-emission-height approximation takes T(z_e) approximately equal to T_e. If the ground and near-surface air are closely coupled:

T_surface approximately T_e + integral from 0 to z_e of Gamma(z) dz

For an illustrative constant Gamma = 6.5 K/km and z_e = 5 km:

T_surface approximately 255 + 6.5*5
= 287.5 K, approximately 14 C

Those chosen values illustrate the connection; they do not independently predict global surface temperature. Radiative transfer, convection, humidity and clouds determine the actual emission heights and profile. Ground skin temperature can differ from nearby air. [5]

For a dry adiabatic parcel, the first law and hydrostatic balance give: [6]

c_p*dT - dp/rho = 0
dp = -rho*g*dz
Gamma_dry = g/c_p, approximately 9.8 K/km

Here c_p is specific heat at constant pressure, rho is air density, and g is gravitational acceleration.

Moist convection releases latent heat; the environmental lapse rate varies. The example's 6.5 K/km is not the dry adiabatic rate. [5,6]

4. Where greenhouse gases enter

Infrared opacity determines which parts of the profile contribute radiation escaping to space. Greater opacity can shift emission toward higher, colder tropospheric air in affected spectral bands. At an unchanged temperature profile this reduces outgoing energy; warming and other adjustments then work toward restoring balance. [2,4]

Pressure and gravity help determine a temperature gradient. That gradient alone cannot set the surface's absolute temperature. Radiation, opacity and the lapse rate work together. Nor can one constant tropospheric lapse rate be extended through the stratosphere, where temperature can increase with height. [3,5]

Sources

[1] NASA: Climate and Earth's Energy Budget
[2] NASA CERES: measured radiation budget and energy imbalance
[3] Kerry Emanuel, MIT: radiation and atmospheric structure
[4] NASA GISS: infrared spectra and the greenhouse effect
[5] Brian Rose, University at Albany: radiative-convective equilibrium
[6] MIT: adiabatic lapse-rate derivation, slides 19-20
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The sun dictates everything

It could kill us all with 1 solar flare.
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(1/(4*pi*R^2))*dE/dt


This shite right here is why I still do more complex math on a piece of paper. Math looks sooooo ugly when you type it out like that on a PC
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(1/(4*pi*R^2))*dE/dt


Looks more like a drunk texting after getting thrown out of a bar.
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Posted by SpidermanTUba
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Posted on 10/26/26 at 2:10 pm to
The Sun supplies the energy--that is S in the first equation. Reflectivity determines how much is absorbed, and infrared opacity affects how readily it escapes. The energy source alone does not set surface temperature.

For scale, Emslie et al. estimate about 4.26e25 J of total radiant energy for the enormous November 4, 2003 flare, corrected for its position near the Sun's limb. Put a flare of that size on the Earth-facing side. Using the study's uniform outward-hemisphere approximation and an explicitly assumed 10-minute pulse (r = 1.496e11 m, the Earth-Sun distance; t = 600 s):

F = E ÷ (2 × 3.14159 × r² × t)
= (4.26e25 J) ÷ [2 × 3.14159 × (1.496e11 m)² × 600 s]
about 0.505 W/m²

Ordinary sunlight at Earth's distance is about 1361 W/m². This illustrative extra flux is 0.037% of that for ten minutes, equivalent in total energy to about 0.22 seconds of normal sunshine. Both fluxes are perpendicular to the rays above the atmosphere. This is an assumed time-average, not a measured peak or a ceiling on every possible flare; the energy and angular distribution have substantial uncertainty.

That does not make space weather harmless. Flare radiation affects radio communications and astronauts; associated coronal mass ejections can threaten grids. Earth's atmosphere protects people on the ground from flare radiation. Those hazards differ from overwhelming the normal solar energy budget.

Emslie et al., section 2.2 and Tables 1-2
NASA: solar flares and their effects
NASA: solar storms and power outages
This post was edited on 10/26/26 at 2:21 pm
Posted by SpidermanTUba
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Posted on 10/26/26 at 2:11 pm to
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