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re: How long before books like this are banned in this nation?
Posted on 6/15/20 at 10:54 pm to mulletproof
Posted on 6/15/20 at 10:54 pm to mulletproof
Wow I had no idea
Posted on 6/15/20 at 10:55 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
You're creating a false equivalence between that book and the statues being taken down, though. I would not support removing memoirs from people like General Lee, because it is a legitimate study tool for historians. Those statues are not.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 10:56 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
I want to scoff, but then I see school districts keep banning To Kill a Mockingbird, Catch-22, The Great Gatsby, The Things They Carried, Invisble Man, because they’re not Christian enough or use foul language or they’re too black. People will ban anything they don’t agree with.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 10:56 pm to hendersonshands
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The fact is that you cannot remove slavery from the Civil War.
Nobody is trying to remove slavery from the civil war and nobody is attempting to defend slavery. So, glad we got that out of the way.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 10:57 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
The post that I responded to literally said this:
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the confederate monument is to the students, not to what they fault for..less than 20% of southerners at the time were slave owners..and most soldiers were not
Posted on 6/15/20 at 11:11 pm to hubreb
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less than 20% of southerners at the time were slave owners..and most soldiers were not
This is an oft-recited percentage but is inaccurate in multiple ways, at least in what it is often used to suggest.
The 1860 census shows about 32% of Southern families owned slaves. The 20% number is derived from the number of adult individuals that owned slaves. The number is as low as 20% in AR and as high as 46/49% in SC and MS.
It also fails to take into account the majority of non-slaveholding households did so because they were too poor to won't them but aspired to own them. Many of these poorer families actually "rented" slaves from large plantations usually for a percentage of their crop yield.
This does nothing to argue against the fact the moral discussion was far different then than now.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 11:21 pm to Cracker
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Wow I had no idea
It's true. I have driven over that bridge a thousand times.. Trust me, it is a horrifically racist bridge. It belongs in the river. If Owlie didn't hate black people so much, he would donate some of his money to the eradication of that racist bridge.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 11:29 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
You don't have to post every thought that pops into your head.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 11:48 pm to hubreb
The Lysium?? Cool building for real.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 5:51 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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I’ve read this book. Lee wrote eloquently and it was a very interesting read. He was not an evil mastermind and to look at him in such a way is very disturbing to me.
As brilliant and honorable a man as he was, Lee will always be branded a traitor by most. He reluctantly sought to break up the Union because of his love for his state and the South. Many would say the Civil War cost him a legend of leadership in the United States. I definitely think he would have become a president had the war not occurred.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 5:55 am to hendersonshands
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I would not support removing memoirs from people like General Lee, because it is a legitimate study tool for historians. Those statues are not.
Ok, you might not. That does not mean that the people that are actively going after the monuments don’t support it either. Is it really that far of a stretch to think they wouldn’t go after things like books at some point?
Posted on 6/16/20 at 6:01 am to TigerFanInSouthland
This country has problems, and their root is the toxic combination of conspiracy theories and slippery slope arguments.
It leads to just this kind of beta hysteria. So relax, snowflake. Nobody's banning books.
It leads to just this kind of beta hysteria. So relax, snowflake. Nobody's banning books.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 6:10 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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Posted on 6/16/20 at 6:27 am to Obtuse1
quote:and what's funny is that humans have owned humans for thousands of years. And still do in other parts of the world.
This does nothing to argue against the fact the moral discussion was far different then than now.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 6:28 am to Celery
What books have been banned because they’re “too black”?
Posted on 6/16/20 at 6:54 am to hubreb
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less than 20% of southerners
Less than 5%*
Posted on 6/16/20 at 6:57 am to TigerFanInSouthland
I hope you guys appreciate what I’m going to say as a Yankee, but the only reason he’s being vilified is because he lost.
History is written and regarded by the victors... not necessarily right, but it’s the truth.
History is written and regarded by the victors... not necessarily right, but it’s the truth.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 6:59 am to TigerFanInSouthland
It's really amazing how the left has so quickly adopted every worst attribute they tagged the religious right with in the 90s and 00s.
The topics and targets are different, but the mindset is the same, it's a religion to them.
The topics and targets are different, but the mindset is the same, it's a religion to them.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 7:01 am to TigerFanInSouthland
I don't think books like that should be banned, but the man did lead a war effort that was largely about owning people and maintaining a race-based social order. Pretty good reasons for people to think he's evil.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 7:28 am to hendersonshands
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Do you understand the difference in the historical significance of a primary source from one of the most influential members of the Civil War and statues put up 60 to 80 years after the Civil War during Jim Crow?
Do you think the people tearing them down understand or more importantly CARE?
Tearing down statues is all about hatred of whites and leading ignorant people around by the nose.
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