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How French was almost decimated and efforts to save it in Louisiana

Posted on 2/4/25 at 8:49 am
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 2/4/25 at 8:49 am




Most of us have stories or first hand accounts of family who were shamed for speaking French, and forced to not speak French in schools. I can remember as a kid visiting my grandmother and great grandmother regularly speaking French with one another over afternoon coffee, and my grandfather who owned a grocery store where conversing with local patrons in French was quite commonplace. To a lesser degree my mother and her siblings would speak it, until it had all been lost amongst my generation due to it simply not being spoken around us by a disappearing older French speaking generation. Poof gone. I feel pretty sure this is the same with most of us, save a very few who were fortunate enough to not be as affected by all of this.

I think this video does an outstanding job of explaining both the beginnings of the French language, evolution of it in the state, the deliberate attack on it being spoken, and hopefully the beginnings of it’s resurgence in Louisiana. Enjoy.





Posted by mylsuhat
Mandeville, LA
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 2/4/25 at 8:59 am to
Same story here. Grandparents spoke it at home to each other and their friends but not to us. They didn't want us to speak it because it was quite literally beaten out of them


Fast forward to today, it's all but gone.

Over Christmas, I was with my wife's family and one of her uncles moved to Martinique and married a local woman decades ago. They were all in town with their son's fiancé's family (from Guadalupe).

There I stood, from South Louisiana (Lafourche Parish), a very French last name, not knowing what was being said..


I started Duolingo that night. I know it's not Cajun French but it's a place to start.
This post was edited on 2/4/25 at 9:17 am
Posted by sidewalkside
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Posted on 2/4/25 at 9:00 am to
quote:

family who were shamed for speaking French,


What? Growing up in New Orleans we were required to take French class until like 5th grade.
Posted by Lsupimp
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Posted on 2/4/25 at 9:01 am to
It’s crazy how little you hear compared to in my childhood. It’s not even part of the Louisiana popular culture like it used to be.
Posted by mylsuhat
Mandeville, LA
Member since Mar 2008
49400 posts
Posted on 2/4/25 at 9:04 am to
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What? Growing up in New Orleans we were required to take French class until like 5th grade.

And yet folks from New Orleans (and BR) still pronounce Boudin terribly wrong by saying Boo-Dan
Posted by sidewalkside
rent free in yo head
Member since Sep 2021
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Posted on 2/4/25 at 9:06 am to
This happens as a common thing with each successive generation after the original non-English speaking family members come to the US. Believe it or not there are actually little Mexican kids in Texas who don't speak Spanish.
Posted by Purple Spoon
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Posted on 2/4/25 at 9:07 am to
quote:

Boo-Dan



What is the proper way to say it.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
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Posted on 2/4/25 at 9:07 am to
quote:

And yet folks from New Orleans (and BR) still pronounce Boudin terribly wrong by saying Boo-Dan


That’s how it’s pronounced, smartie pants
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 2/4/25 at 9:08 am to
quote:

Most of us have stories or first hand accounts of family who were shamed for speaking French, and forced to not speak French in schools. I can remember as a kid visiting my grandmother and great grandmother regularly speaking French with one another over afternoon coffee, and my grandfather who owned a grocery store where conversing with local patrons in French was quite commonplace. To a lesser degree my mother and her siblings would speak it, until it had all been lost amongst my generation due to it simply not being spoken around us by a disappearing older French speaking generation.


Raises hand.

I would walk in the kitchen and my grandparents were conversing with each other in French and they would immediately switch to English like it was shameful to speak French. I wish they would have reinforced French on their kids and grandkids. I took two semesters of French college for my required foreign language credits and thought it was very difficult.
Posted by Loup
Ferriday
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 2/4/25 at 9:08 am to
My grandma used to tell us stories about her getting her hands smacked with a ruler at school for speaking French. When we'd go visit my great aunt/uncle we always knew when they wanted us to leave because they'd start speaking french to each other
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
132599 posts
Posted on 2/4/25 at 9:10 am to
quote:

And yet folks from New Orleans (and BR) still pronounce Boudin terribly wrong by saying Boo-Dan


Are you saying the 'boo-dan" has to end with a soft or almost silent "n" sound?
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 2/4/25 at 9:11 am to
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family who were shamed for speaking French,


What? Growing up in New Orleans we were required to take French class until like 5th grade.


lived in Lafayette a long time and had tons on Cajun French speaking friends, I never heard from any of them about it being "beaten out of them" at schools, hell, you could take courses in it at USL, I always got the impression they used it as sort of a patois to be able to talk in front of their kids without the kids knowing what they were saying
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
34737 posts
Posted on 2/4/25 at 9:12 am to
look im like 80% french/cajun french.....but there is no need to speak another language in this country and french is a useless language. no different than someone of mexican heritage getting mad because they feel not enough people speak spanish in texas.

Posted by bluewing
south
Member since Jun 2013
143 posts
Posted on 2/4/25 at 9:13 am to
read somewhere Pierre Part has the largest French speaking community in the US
Posted by mylsuhat
Mandeville, LA
Member since Mar 2008
49400 posts
Posted on 2/4/25 at 9:13 am to
quote:

What is the proper way to say it.



boo-dehn


quote:

Are you saying the 'boo-dan" has to end with a soft or almost silent "n" sound?



Correct
This post was edited on 2/4/25 at 9:15 am
Posted by YOURADHERE
Member since Dec 2006
8248 posts
Posted on 2/4/25 at 9:15 am to
Similarly, my dad spoke French, but that was because his grandfather only spoke French so he learned from him and was the only one of his siblings that could communicate with him. As a kid I remember my dad and my maternal grandparents always speaking French to each other when they didn't want the kids knowing what they were saying, and sadly none of them ever bothered to teach any of us.

I took French classes from 4th grade all the way through high school but only retain a pretty small bit of it. I been thinking about trying to learn it again.
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
33873 posts
Posted on 2/4/25 at 9:16 am to
I was fairly fluent in French as a kid and through college while still taking classes. I haven't spoke French with anyone in years. I doubt that I could unless I were dropped off in Paris for a month.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
132599 posts
Posted on 2/4/25 at 9:17 am to
quote:

quote:

Are you saying the 'boo-dan" has to end with a soft or almost silent "n" sound?



Correct


I think I'm a little incorrect. While the soft or silent "n" is correct you also need a little "h" sound in there like you phonetically spell out.
Posted by mylsuhat
Mandeville, LA
Member since Mar 2008
49400 posts
Posted on 2/4/25 at 9:19 am to
right, but what you said was close. I had to google the pronunciation to get the right spelling
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
82678 posts
Posted on 2/4/25 at 9:21 am to
quote:

I think I'm a little incorrect. While the soft or silent "n" is correct you also need a little "h" sound in there like you phonetically spell out.


like a lot of French in south La we bastardize words to make them our own, for instance Lafayette, anyone from Lafayette will correct you if you pronounce it (properly ) as Lah-fie-et, they will tell you it's Laffee-et, same thing with Baton Rouge
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