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How do you think the new TOPS requirements will affect SUBR

Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:00 am
Posted by volod
Leesville, LA
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:00 am

Not another Southern thread ?! Please hear me out.


I understand that the current budget crisis needs a solution. And even though I think the real problem is the state constitution (ie protected expenditures), it is safe to say that some education expenses need to be reduced.

Since the majority of SUBR students recieve some type of Grant or wealth-based assistance, this could simply be an inconvenience for some.

However,not everyone is "poor-enough" to go to school purely off grants. So do you think this could possibly hurt SUBR numbers. Just curious.

Posted by VermilionTiger
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Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:01 am to
volod;dr
Posted by willymeaux
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Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:01 am to
Yeeeeeeee haaaaaaaw! The south will rise again!
Posted by TitleistProV1X
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Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:03 am to
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However,not everyone is "poor-enough" to go to school purely off grants. So do you think this could possibly hurt SUBR numbers. Just curious.

They will have to increase grants or SUBR will go even further into debt. Everyone knows those damn ACT/SAT are racist as hell and if they increase the ACT minimum to the 24-26 range the number of blacks that qualify will plummet. Them damn whites with their test taking privilege well be effected too but not as bad.
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:03 am to
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it is safe to say that some education expenses need to be reduced.



We should shut down under performing colleges and universities immediately.
Posted by RedPop4
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:04 am to
quote:

I understand that the current budget crisis needs a solution. And even though I think the real problem is the state constitution (ie protected expenditures), it is safe to say that some education expenses need to be reduced.
This.
We've had more constitutions in this state, and they never get it right.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:06 am to
Of course it will hurt attendance at Southern. It should hurt attendance at least somewhat at every college in LA. And that's not such a bad thing. Too many people are going to college right now and forcing more people to pay their way through will stop some people from going into worthless arts and social science and communication degrees.

Don't make this a Southern thing though, this hurts every school
Posted by volod
Leesville, LA
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:06 am to
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Everyone knows those damn ACT/SAT are racist


I know your joking. To be clear, I understand that standardized test are inherently designed not to be discriminatory.

I also feel that other qualifications should be considered for scholarships other than purely test scores.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
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Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:08 am to
how many of their LA students receive tops now?
Posted by Red Stick Tigress
Tiger Stadium
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Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:10 am to
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recieve



Posted by TitleistProV1X
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:10 am to
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I know your joking

Guessing you wouldn't qualify for the 24-26 range either

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I also feel that other qualifications should be considered for scholarships other than purely test scores.

I think the ACT score is the best way to judge how a student will do in college. Is it perfect? Absolutely not. However, it's a better judge than a GPA at a random school. There are huge differences in schools and grading. A standardized test, even with all its faults, is a much better litmus test than a GPA.
This post was edited on 4/25/16 at 10:12 am
Posted by volod
Leesville, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5392 posts
Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:13 am to
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how many of their LA students receive tops now?


Not sure of the exact numbers right now, but I will share this information.


When it was time to get refunds for this semester, our refunds were not released until the same day the state issues TOPS funding to the schools. I know from experience this is NOT a coincidence.

Obviously this year SUBR got TOPS money later like all the schools due to the "cease" by JBE.
This post was edited on 4/25/16 at 10:14 am
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:14 am to
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I also feel that other qualifications should be considered for scholarships other than purely test scores.

Like what? Is an unbiased test score not the best way of awarding scholarships? Any other method promotes some form of bias.

Go by GPA and you'll figure out some schools are more rigorous than others, and those students are put at a disadvantage. Go by a complete resume evaluation and you get into all sorts of ridiculous bias that would cost a fortune to evaluate on a per student basis. Go by need and it becomes a need based scholarship, and we already have government grants for those, and those students would not merit the investment that the state would be making into them

Unbiased test scores on a test given the same way every time is by far the best method. I understand some people will use a counter argument that people with more money can take the test more times and use prep classes, etc, and I will say to them "find a better, less biased, cost effective system". And when I ask that no one will have a better solution
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:14 am to
Hopefully closes it
Posted by TitleistProV1X
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:21 am to
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I understand some people will use a counter argument that people with more money can take the test more times and use prep classes

Well the same could be said for attaining a higher GPA (parents can pay for more tutoring). If you're a senior in high school you have pretty much learned what you're going to learn for college. Either you're ready for college or you're not. A standardized test that makes you apply that knowledge is the best way to judge this.
Posted by volod
Leesville, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5392 posts
Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:21 am to
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Go by GPA and you'll figure out some schools are more rigorous than others, and those students are put at a disadvantage. Go by a complete resume evaluation and you get into all sorts of ridiculous bias that would cost a fortune to evaluate on a per student basis. Go by need and it becomes a need based scholarship, and we already have government grants for those, and those students would not merit the investment that the state would be making into them


I admit, you do have a point. No matter what argument I can make, it will not change the fact that GPA from varying schools and social activities are a terrible means of judging academic ability. Testing is the fair (though flawed) method we have.

What you said about schools is especially true since it extends to high schools AND universities (I know that better than most people)
This post was edited on 4/25/16 at 10:39 am
Posted by volod
Leesville, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5392 posts
Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:25 am to

I made a 24 on the ACT.

And for the record, I know plenty of people who scored less than me and most of them went to PWI schools (that is the sad part)

College has shown me that diligence and skill trumps scores. If you only knew how many 26+ ACT people dont make it in STEM or pre-med programs...
Posted by double d
Amarillo by morning
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:26 am to
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I also feel that other qualifications should be considered for scholarships other than purely test scores.


And color of skin should not be one of them either.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
33900 posts
Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:28 am to
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Well the same could be said for attaining a higher GPA (parents can pay for more tutoring). If you're a senior in high school you have pretty much learned what you're going to learn for college. Either you're ready for college or you're not. A standardized test that makes you apply that knowledge is the best way to judge this.

Absolutely. Life isn't fair and unbiased, but the ACT may be the closest thing to an unbiased, fair assessment of a student's abilities
Posted by Jamohn
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Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:30 am to
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whites with their test taking privilege well be effected too but not as bad.

Guessing you don't qualify for that higher range either
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