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re: How do you handle paternity leave in performance rankings

Posted on 1/6/25 at 1:06 pm to
Posted by YouKnowImRight
Member since Oct 2023
2153 posts
Posted on 1/6/25 at 1:06 pm to
I think you rate them based on their 9 months. However, I think you take into account the extra work that had to be done in their absence. If his teammates picked up the slack without compensation and were successful, they deserve to be ranked ahead of him for the year.

It's an ANNUAL performance review. If one guy did 0.75 of a year and another guy did 1.25 successfully, which one do you think deserves the higher rating?

Next year, clean slate.

If your company can survive without someone for 3 months, how valuable are they really?
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Member since Jun 2009
86803 posts
Posted on 1/6/25 at 1:08 pm to
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If your company can survive without someone for 3 months, how valuable are they really?


You should ask the company that offered that amount of leave to an employee.

How is it any different than taking two week here, two weeks there, etc?
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
10162 posts
Posted on 1/6/25 at 1:10 pm to
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If your company can survive without someone for 3 months, how valuable are they really?


They could be extremely valuable and efficient with their time, hence why they are being rewarded with time off
Posted by auie93
Auburn
Member since Jan 2021
696 posts
Posted on 1/6/25 at 1:12 pm to
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Try having a baby in the NICU for several weeks and see if you can go back to work, and be productive after only 3 days off.


Did it twice but I don't expect everyone to be like me. However, if you are any type of office position, it should be much easier to get some work done now as the remote capabilities are much better than when I had my kids in 2002 and 2004.
Posted by tiger09
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2015
226 posts
Posted on 1/6/25 at 1:16 pm to
For the paternity leave is weakness crowd, I’m a middle aged dude who got 1 day off provided by MegaCorp; however, I don’t begrudge those newer dads who take off the time their company allows them because from my vantage point those friendly policies are implemented to make the company look more attractive to younger hires WITHOUT having to offer higher pay.
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
5046 posts
Posted on 1/6/25 at 1:17 pm to
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I think whoever does that is simply taking advantage of a situation and good for them. I just dont choose to.


Pardon me for asking, but are you working at 11:00 am on a Monday while posting about not taking time off?
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
37932 posts
Posted on 1/6/25 at 1:49 pm to
If your organization allows you to hold it against an employee if they use a company-offered benefit appropriately then your organization is poorly run.

If you choose to do it, then you are a bad manager.

If you don't want employees to use a perk, don't offer it.
Posted by DeltaTigerDelta
Member since Jan 2017
12753 posts
Posted on 1/6/25 at 1:53 pm to
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A MAN should have no more than a week, no more.

Fully agree but based on the number of downvotes you received, appears there needs to be a Low-T Soy board created.
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
38789 posts
Posted on 1/6/25 at 2:05 pm to
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If your company can survive without someone for 3 months, how valuable are they really?



if i could 3 months off and defer it to after my wife's leave like a lot of people, i'd save nearly 5k in daycare payments

why not take advantage of a benefit offered?
Posted by Harry Caray
Denial
Member since Aug 2009
19196 posts
Posted on 1/6/25 at 2:08 pm to
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Fully agree but based on the number of downvotes you received, appears there needs to be a Low-T Soy board created.

I'm sorry your life is too miserable to enjoy your family more than work
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
14392 posts
Posted on 1/6/25 at 3:29 pm to
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Pardon me for asking, but are you working at 11:00 am on a Monday while posting about not taking time off?


100% yes I am.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
57951 posts
Posted on 1/6/25 at 3:52 pm to
I havent ready anything but the first page.... a few comments and questions....


1. its Paternity leave, how do people not know this is a guy.
2. 3 months for Paternity leave, thats insane. I was ecstatic when i got bumped from 40 hours to 160 hours... i had no clue what to do with myself fo i took every friday off for 6 months ha.
3. Lowing their performance rankings isnt "dinging" this person.... Performance rankings should be based on the calendar time, so who did the best over those 12 months. Who cares who tookk 3 mo paternity leave for 2 weeks vacay?
4. No he should not get the benefit of the doubt by ratioing him to 9 months. thats bullshite.
Posted by pelicanpride
Houston
Member since Oct 2007
1506 posts
Posted on 1/6/25 at 5:03 pm to
I’ve taken 3 months maternity leave for 3 different babies. I did have one manager (now retired) dumb enough to tell me (in writing) I was a top performer, but he decided to drop me because I missed 3 months for maternity leave. That impacted my pay raise for that year, and because pay raises are cumulative, it impacted pay for multiple years. If there is bonus money to be given out, I am fine with taking a decreased amount since I worked fewer hours, but withholding a pay increase becomes a mommy tax that you end up paying year over year. I talked with several other managers, and I’m certain what he did was against company policy, possibly illegal. I didn’t go to HR because honestly I liked the guy and didn’t want to get him in trouble. I understand your logic, but should rate the guy based on the time worked.
Posted by UptownJoeBrown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2024
2355 posts
Posted on 1/6/25 at 9:14 pm to
Not today HR!!
Posted by Mr Clean
Power I-Formation
Member since Aug 2006
52355 posts
Posted on 1/6/25 at 9:17 pm to
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ETA: Whoops, I misread paternity as maternity. Yes, I know there is a difference. But I will leave my post unedited above and face my shame and ridicule.


It's easy to make mistakes. I make plenty in my writing.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
39160 posts
Posted on 1/6/25 at 9:30 pm to
Number one way to destroy a company from within.

Offer an employee benefit then penalize the employee for using said benefit.

I truly hope this is a troll
Posted by liz18lsu
Naples, FL
Member since Feb 2009
17684 posts
Posted on 1/6/25 at 9:31 pm to
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You and the others in here railing against this are the same types who put work over family and wonder why kids are so misguided these days.

Can’t put a value on extra time with my kids. A company will shite can you whenever they please so frick putting their needs over my wife and kids.


Real men smoked a cigar and went back to work. And our world was a better place.
Posted by CaptainJ47
Gonzales
Member since Nov 2007
7609 posts
Posted on 1/6/25 at 9:31 pm to
Numerator is actual performance
Denominator is pro-rated goal

What is so hard here?
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
39160 posts
Posted on 1/6/25 at 9:35 pm to
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If your company can survive without someone for 3 months, how valuable are they really?


Any well run company should be able to survive ANYONE being gone for 3 months.

What happens if the guy goes in the hospital for 3 months, or worse, dies. Does the company go out of business?
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
39160 posts
Posted on 1/6/25 at 9:41 pm to
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If you are in a professional field that bills by the hour, is the company supposed to just accept that they are losing a quarter of the whole reason you are there?


Well, the company came up with the policy, so you would think they have a plan…

This isn’t government forcing a policy. It was the company’s choice… probably as a recruiting tool
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