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re: How Do You Feel About Edward Snowden? Traitor Or Patriot?
Posted on 11/20/19 at 1:27 pm to OWLFAN86
Posted on 11/20/19 at 1:27 pm to OWLFAN86
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Neither
it needed to be exposed but he put American lives and interests at unnecessary risk
he did not need to share as much intel to accomplish he stated goal
Yeah, there are two sides to it. In theory I think he did the right thing, but in reality it wasn't really the best interest of the country to see that all the documents he acquired was published.
I think part of it had to do with the fact he didn't know right away exactly what he was being involved in.
A government as big and sophisticated as the US has to protect itself and in order to do so that means having the capability to do things that are controversial.
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Posted on 11/20/19 at 1:28 pm to Wtodd
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Had he not gone scorched earth I'd be more sympathetic but he just did too much damage
Are we really damaged? I don't see anything damaged at all. He is a patriot. Screw the federal government and their incursion on our rights. The intent of the federal government is a weak central government to regulate the states and international dealings. 99% of what they are doing, they should not be.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 1:31 pm to danilo
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If you are not doing anything wrong who cares if they spy on you?
What if they are spying on you and they video you having sex and then all of a sudden there is a twitter bot that puts it on twitter and all of a sudden it goes viral?
Posted on 11/20/19 at 1:32 pm to Landmass
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Are we really damaged?
Yes, or there never would have been a need for his actions
Posted on 11/20/19 at 1:34 pm to OweO
He's a hero and the United States government is the biggest threat to our liberties and freedoms.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 1:43 pm to SCLibertarian
I'm in the hero camp. But, I think it's interesting that some poli brethren that I respect think he is a CIA plant to make NSA good guys look bad.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 1:45 pm to OweO
Patriot 100%
Posted on 11/20/19 at 1:50 pm to Bunk Moreland
Because he was a CIA spook sent in to destroy the NSA surveillance network. Why? Because the CIA wants to control it all, bigger budget, and tell others all the answers.
He had access to the CIA's programs and didn't disclose those when he had a chance. He, himself, never disclosed CIA programs, only the NSA's. So, in one instance he is a hero, in another, he is just like the rest, scum.
He had access to the CIA's programs and didn't disclose those when he had a chance. He, himself, never disclosed CIA programs, only the NSA's. So, in one instance he is a hero, in another, he is just like the rest, scum.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 2:15 pm to OweO
quote:Honest question as I don't now, what was the fallout of all this from the government's side? Nothing at all? Did folks get fired, jailed?
when he turned over all of the government documents he was able to obtain to a media source so they could report them
I know they're still doing it now, so I'm guessing not a whole lot.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 2:16 pm to Bunk Moreland
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I'm in the hero camp. But, I think it's interesting that some poli brethren that I respect think he is a CIA plant to make NSA good guys look bad.
Then why would the CIA not protect him?
Posted on 11/20/19 at 2:20 pm to OWLFAN86
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Neither
it needed to be exposed but he put American lives and interests at unnecessary risk
he did not need to share as much intel to accomplish he stated goal
I would agree. I don’t know or can’t remember if his original plan was to leak it all or if he wanted to use the additional data as leverage to avoid criminal charges before Obama’s Justice department went after him hard forcing him to flee to Russia and give up data for asylum. The later might just be part of the hero fairytale some needed to discount the additional leaking of data dealing with more external sources that at least initially caused us some harm abroad.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 2:22 pm to OweO
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He is a patriot. Screw the federal government and their incursion on our rights. The intent of the federal government is a weak central government to regulate the states and international dealings. 99% of what they are doing, they should not be.
Agreed. And we have it better than most, not all.
I like Prez. Trump, but I cringe when he says things like, "abandon the 2-year term." The Patriot Act in following 9/11 was also, in my opinion, a large overstep on the boundaries for which our country infringed on our constitutional rights as citizens.
I think these fall out of the eye of the press far too easily, as it's a bit more complex and not as "sexy" as gun control or impeachment proceedings.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 2:25 pm to shel311
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Honest question as I don't now, what was the fallout of all this from the government's side? Nothing at all? Did folks get fired, jailed?
I know they're still doing it now, so I'm guessing not a whole lot.
I haven't finished the book and not sure if it mentions anything about this because I don't think anything became of it.
The only damage it did was to himself.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 2:26 pm to OweO
Trump should give him a pardon so that he can come back to the U.S. without prosecution...
Posted on 11/20/19 at 2:26 pm to OweO
You can’t be serious... if the info he leaked put one person safety in danger he’s a traitor...regardless of his reasoning... truth will eventually come to the light doesn’t make it his crusade... he did this to be famous
Posted on 11/20/19 at 2:28 pm to cable
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Why have curtains on your windows if you’re not doing anything wrong?
You don't give away greatness. The Louvre doesn't let people see the Mona Lisa for free, do they?
I think Snowden is a patriot, but I also think he broke the law. The two are not mutually exclusive. Patriots usually are breaking laws.
This post was edited on 11/20/19 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 11/20/19 at 2:29 pm to lepdagod
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. he did this to be famous
Just from reading his book I can't subscribe to this. I honestly believe he thought he was doing the right thing.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 2:30 pm to OweO
Good guy, but also I think he probably didn’t do it all out of the goodness of his heart, some axe to grind/something left unsaid in his story.
Given the cost to his life, I don’t think it’s all that important if part of his motivation was more selfish than he lets on. He did a good thing and has paid the price for it.
Given the cost to his life, I don’t think it’s all that important if part of his motivation was more selfish than he lets on. He did a good thing and has paid the price for it.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 2:34 pm to OweO
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reading his book ...he thought he was doing the right thing.
Well HIS book would give that perspective...
This post was edited on 11/20/19 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 11/20/19 at 2:44 pm to OweO
After watching the Joe Rogan interview, I was very impressed with his work....brings up good points.
Worth the watch Joe Rogan Experience
Worth the watch Joe Rogan Experience
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