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re: How do you create a culture change among poverty ridden areas?
Posted on 8/24/18 at 9:20 am to al_cajun
Posted on 8/24/18 at 9:20 am to al_cajun
Poverty isn't the problem, government "assistance" is. It has unintentionally incentivized broken homes and all of these broken homes have broken the education system that relied on parental participation to function.
It's a tough issue to address because there isn't a more sympathetic figure than a working single mother and her kids. How do you not help that demographic? But by helping them we've multiplied the problem.
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I don't know if you can go back to the days of shotgun weddings and familial shame as deterrents to single motherhood, but we've removed too many of the consequences of unmarried women having babies and we need to find a way to get back to more couples raising kids. Even if they aren't together deadbeat dads should not be tolerated. I know some have advocated women on welfare being required to be on birth control but I don't think I've ever heard similar plans forwarded for all the baby daddies out there.
I don't think government mandated vasectomies are a good path to go down but focusing on the men involved is a part of the problem you don't hear addressed very often. I don't know what the answer is, but something needs to be done to change up the current incentive/consequence structure because doing nothing will only lead to things getting worse.
It's a tough issue to address because there isn't a more sympathetic figure than a working single mother and her kids. How do you not help that demographic? But by helping them we've multiplied the problem.
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I don't know if you can go back to the days of shotgun weddings and familial shame as deterrents to single motherhood, but we've removed too many of the consequences of unmarried women having babies and we need to find a way to get back to more couples raising kids. Even if they aren't together deadbeat dads should not be tolerated. I know some have advocated women on welfare being required to be on birth control but I don't think I've ever heard similar plans forwarded for all the baby daddies out there.
I don't think government mandated vasectomies are a good path to go down but focusing on the men involved is a part of the problem you don't hear addressed very often. I don't know what the answer is, but something needs to be done to change up the current incentive/consequence structure because doing nothing will only lead to things getting worse.
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Posted on 8/24/18 at 9:23 am to al_cajun
Get men to become faithful husbands and husbands to be a present father in the kids lives. It's not unheard of, and frankly accepted, for one dad to have kids with many women.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 9:23 am to al_cajun
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Y'all got any ideas?
Hunger....works every time
Posted on 8/24/18 at 9:26 am to gizmothepug
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It starts at home preferably with two parents that give a crap and want their kids to do better than they have.
Obviously but how do you do that? The problem is pretty obvious.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 9:34 am to al_cajun
More and proper policing, fathers in homes, and mothers who actually care. IE, a nuclear family and kicking crime out.
Do that and businesses will come. Then you have jobs and a tax base to make local schools better, instilling a sense of pride, etc. etc.
Do that and businesses will come. Then you have jobs and a tax base to make local schools better, instilling a sense of pride, etc. etc.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 9:34 am to al_cajun
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Obviously but how do you do that? The problem is pretty obvious.
The mindset has to change which again has to start at home, the government can’t fix this problem, this is a problem that will take a few generations to correct.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 9:37 am to al_cajun
Education is critical but other than that there’s only so much that can be done. I don’t like the idea because it is gov controlling speech but honestly banning shite like WorldStar and BET and such would have a very significant impact.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 9:38 am to al_cajun
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I am at loss, seems to be an unbreakable cycle that is getting worse and worse. Y'all got any ideas?
Stop paying them just to live.
Stop paying them to reproduce.
They will either all commit crimes until they're in prison, starve to death, or (what has been shown to happen in literally every instance of this happening) get jobs and become productive members of society, slowly working their ways into the middle class.
This post was edited on 8/24/18 at 9:44 am
Posted on 8/24/18 at 10:42 am to al_cajun
The miseducation starts from an early age and it's disgusting. Working as an assessor for disability determination was the worst job I've ever held. I got to see first hand, intelligent kids with tons of potential that had been coached on the right way to fail an intelligence test so they could qualify as mentally retarded, get benefits and not have to work. It was disgusting and soul crushing to see.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 10:44 am to al_cajun
It has to start pre-natal. You have to teach mothers to constantly engage and talk to their kids (even though they can't talk back for some time). In turn just doing that makes the kid a little smarter and even better if the WHOLE family is involved.
The hospital my wife is an executive at started a program about 5 years ago teaching low income mothers about the benefits in engaging the newborns and staying at it. They also give classes to the offspring and mothers once a week. Of course 5 years in the sample size is still small but there is statistical evidence that these kids are ahead of others in the same community that were not part of the program. On average, being smarter leads to better decisions, hopefully getting better jobs and reducing poverty.
The hospital my wife is an executive at started a program about 5 years ago teaching low income mothers about the benefits in engaging the newborns and staying at it. They also give classes to the offspring and mothers once a week. Of course 5 years in the sample size is still small but there is statistical evidence that these kids are ahead of others in the same community that were not part of the program. On average, being smarter leads to better decisions, hopefully getting better jobs and reducing poverty.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 10:50 am to al_cajun
Money for tied tubes
Posted on 8/24/18 at 10:51 am to TigerDog83
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Quit subsidizing the negative behaviors like having more children
This.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 10:52 am to TigerinATL
Start locking career criminals up long term
Stop rewarding poor behavior via government benefits.
The culture will change rapidly.
Stop rewarding poor behavior via government benefits.
The culture will change rapidly.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 10:53 am to al_cajun
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How do you create a culture change among poverty ridden areas?
Incentivized sterilization to all under 30.
Give them a lump sum of money to get sterilized. This prevents them from having kids they can’t afford, and gives them a lump sum to better their situation. They can move, get a car, pay off debt, go to school, etc.
They don’t have to worry about having a million dollar mistake by having kids they can’t provide for so they are able to focus on bettering their life.
By not having the kid early, it ends generational poverty. And once these folk are in a better position financially and are in a stable place, they can adopt one of the hundreds of thousands of kids waiting to be brought into a loving home.
Win for the taxpayer as it ends generational welfare. Win for the recipient as they don’t have kids they can’t afford and get a nice cash bonus.
Win for the future adopted kids who get adopted into a new and loving home
Posted on 8/24/18 at 10:57 am to al_cajun
You need leaders, when leaders begin to teach and give hope, people will listen and slowly follow.
When you have shite leaders, or people who just crowbar themselves into leadership roles and parrot the Liberal talking points, you continue the same shite, into the next generation of kids.
Liberals don't want the ghettos cleaned up, they want them poor and needing them for their handouts. Keeping one dumbed down, poor, and in need of help is how you control people.
UAE,Qatar,etc pay the Imams to do the same thing. Continue to hate the Western world, while not even realizing, that their local leaders are why they are down and poor. Blame others, rinse, repeat, every day.
When you have shite leaders, or people who just crowbar themselves into leadership roles and parrot the Liberal talking points, you continue the same shite, into the next generation of kids.
Liberals don't want the ghettos cleaned up, they want them poor and needing them for their handouts. Keeping one dumbed down, poor, and in need of help is how you control people.
UAE,Qatar,etc pay the Imams to do the same thing. Continue to hate the Western world, while not even realizing, that their local leaders are why they are down and poor. Blame others, rinse, repeat, every day.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 10:59 am to SeeeeK
Controlled burns.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 11:09 am to al_cajun
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I am at loss, seems to be an unbreakable cycle that is getting worse and worse.
The 90's were pretty bad
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Y'all got any ideas?
End generational welfare. Cut losses on the older ones, and implement immediate elimination of anything that incentivizes welfare (kids), and sunset welfare for six months, then gradually reduced to zero over the period of an additional six months for any person who is either going from unemployed to employed, or is learning a trade.
If you choose not to work, we choose not to support you. If you have kids, and choose not to work, you are going to be subject to negligence charges and losing your kids.
Soon as folks start working, they start enjoying making their own way, nothing is better for an individual than personal achievement.
Cost savings are invested into City general funds, community centers, and trade programs. Also fund for police to be more immersed in higher crime areas talking with the locals and building bridges there. Hard to do, but needs to be done to empower people to come forward to take back their neighborhoods.
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