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Posted on 9/21/25 at 8:42 pm to
Posted by Traveler
I'm not late-I'm early for tomorrow
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 9/21/25 at 8:42 pm to
This guy is a retired car salesman and sales manager and has some good vids on negotiating prices at the dealership. He repeatedly stresses the importance of not talking about financing until you have an out the door price in writing.


Car Edge
Posted by Twenty 49
Shreveport
Member since Jun 2014
20773 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 8:47 pm to
quote:

flew up there one day, they picked me up at the airport in it and took me to the dealership. I was there for 30 minutes signing paperwork. I left right after heading south and made it home the next day


A friend bought a new pickup from a dealer several states away. They did the deal without him leaving home, and for about the price of a plane ticket the dealer delivered the truck to him via car hauler.
Posted by HerkFlyer
Auburn, AL
Member since Jan 2018
3205 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 8:57 pm to
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Hank Hill taught me that you pay sticker and not a penny more.


Whatever you say Tom Hammond.
Posted by GetmorewithLes
UK Basketball Fan
Member since Jan 2011
22104 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 9:04 pm to
quote:

Say I wanted to buy this 2025 Toyota Camry and the 2026 Camrys are already out. How much could I "reasonably" knock off it?


The number one rule to get the lowest price is to offer something lower than that price and stick to it until you get a price you are satisfied with. This numer could be as much as 30% under sticker.

Also always be willing to get up and walk away. That helps a bunch.

You will be asked “how much you willing to pay per month? Never answer that question.
Posted by Artificial Ignorance
Member since Feb 2025
1424 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 9:06 pm to
quote:

I can tell you negotiating the price on a new Toyota right now isn’t happening. You might get them to knock off $500. Their demand exceeds supply.


This!

Bought 2025 Camry. Well seasoned new car buyer. It’s just market factors.

That said, know your numbers:

budget
what you want
how much what you want costs
their incentives (to you / manufacturer to dealership)

In the end, Toyota has the power because high demand.

Have seen many markup over invoice with BS seat / under coat BS. It’s just price mark up. I refuse. Rather walk than ever paying BS.

Good luck!
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
60589 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 9:06 pm to
Me, I’d tell em 29 and they could finance thru by their choice. Then I’d pay off the loan the first month.

They make money on the bank, so they are happy. You save on the price. The only party aggravated is the bank, but they aren’t in the room
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
13107 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 9:11 pm to
You should never be at a dealer negotiating price or payments.
Posted by tigersownall
Thibodaux
Member since Sep 2011
16619 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 9:11 pm to
Find the exact car you want. Send feelers out to 3 different dealerships and shop the lowest price.
Posted by Xignals
Pits of Hell
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 9/21/25 at 9:11 pm to
Absolutely one of my favorite movies!
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 9/21/25 at 9:12 pm to
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Then I’d pay off the loan the first month.
I don’t know this first-hand but I’ve been told by several people that I trust who financed and in the contract was a penalty for paying the entire balance off in the first six months.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
13107 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 9:17 pm to
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in the contract was a penalty for paying the entire balance off


Is there a pre-payment penalty?

Simple question I knew to ask 30 years ago. Goes for mortgages too.
Posted by jpainter6174
Boss city
Member since Feb 2014
6245 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 9:24 pm to
I don’t disagree I would rather buy used certified than new, but that’s not the question the OP asked and I’m not here to give financial advise…
Posted by CHGAR
Haile, LA
Member since Aug 2022
1226 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 9:26 pm to
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Posted by Crappieman
Member since Apr 2025
1706 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 9:29 pm to
Buyer beware when the salesman pulls out the "4 square trick".

quote:

The "four square trick" is a manipulative sales technique used by car dealerships where a worksheet is divided into four boxes to represent the trade-in value, vehicle's price, down payment, and monthly payment. The salesperson uses this to distract you from the overall cost of the car by shifting focus to the monthly payment, making it seem like a good deal by adjusting the numbers across the boxes. You can protect yourself by ignoring the four-square worksheet, focusing on the total, out-the-door price of the vehicle, and negotiating each element separately.  
Posted by jpainter6174
Boss city
Member since Feb 2014
6245 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 9:29 pm to
In my experience that is not true, not saying some don’t. I use the dealership financing 100% of the time to get rebates or offers then pay it off or refinance at a lower rate with another company the next week.
Posted by chinese58
NELA. after 30 years in Dallas.
Member since Jun 2004
33122 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 9:34 pm to
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I can tell you negotiating the price on a new Toyota right now isn’t happening.
Right now the dealers don't have more than one or two of each model available. A couple of weeks ago they told me Oct 15-20th would be the earliest they'd have any other Rav4's available than the one new one they had. I don't need a new car right now. I'm going to wait until they have lots of cars on the lot before I go back.
Posted by Sofaking2
Member since Apr 2023
18851 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 9:41 pm to
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The simplest way is to go to a website like www.truecar.com Shop New Cars and put in this cars parameters. It will give you a price range and what the average price paid in your zip code.

These types of websites like Kelly Blue Book can give you a close estimate about a fair price range to ask for. I would find out a good fair price range then shop at least a few dealerships to get them to bid against each other.
Posted by Sofaking2
Member since Apr 2023
18851 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 9:45 pm to
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Right now the dealers don't have more than one or two of each model available.

It absolutely depends on the car you want. Tundras are very available. RAV4s less available, but guess what? Every 2026 RAV4 is going to be a hybrid in a couple of months. The inventory will be more available after that.
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
147990 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 10:08 pm to
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paging Will Cover
The Will Cover Method hasn’t been updated since before dealerships had websites and salesman had email addresses.
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
147990 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 10:09 pm to
A RAV4? Really?
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