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re: How do Creationists reconcile discoveries that date back hundreds of millions of years

Posted on 7/19/22 at 6:59 am to
Posted by Gravitiger
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 6:59 am to
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I suspect the Darwin family tree developed his pre-frontal cortex and took him down a rational experience moreso than his limbic system (emotional experience); lacking the full capacity to be amazed at life's design to effectively explain it.
Holy bullshite assumptions, batman!
Posted by Turf Taint
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2021
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 7:01 am to
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God's timeline is not your our timeline. As smart and intelligent as humans have become they are arrogant to believe they know and understand everything especially as it related to God.


Hear you!

Curious, how do Creationists reconcile discoveries that date back hundreds of millions of years and Creationism timeline of 6k years?

Posted by kywildcatfanone
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 7:03 am to
Because you can take a loaf of bread, put it under a lavaflow and carbon dating will tell you it's millions of years old.
Posted by CoyoteSong
Colorado
Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 7:05 am to
Carbon dating is not reliable. I saw they tested a recently dead coyote they found. Carbon dating said it was 10,000 years old. There are hundreds of examples of this. Carbon dating is crap.
Posted by Philzilla2k
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 7:05 am to
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A gene mutation always causes a cancer and kills the host.

No it doesn’t. Hair color is a gene mutation, and yet, people have different color hair, and I have never heard of terminal hair follicle cancer.
Posted by Turf Taint
New Orleans
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 7:06 am to
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Holy bull shite assumptions, batman!


That's a lot of emotion for your pre-frontal cortex. Calm down, sir! Kidding

Never underestimate who you are in how you think and interpret life's experience...is the line Skynard left out of Simple Man but wish they did not.

Be amazed at the human experience.

Just think about the occipital lobe in the brain and how photon turns into meaning in one's brain.

We evolved with purpose; that ain't by accident.

Sir Darwin missed a few bits

Posted by SagesSon
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 7:06 am to
Both are theories. Both have certain points of viability. Creationism explains why we have an earth, solar system, galaxies. Evolution explains survival of the fittest amongst the creatures.

Recently have seen shows that state that new life forms are being created on the ocean floor near fissures where amino acids are present. Makes me wonder if high volcanic/magma activity present during the earlier eras when the earth atmosphere contained high moisture and amino acids gave rise to the various flora and fauna.

Creationism doesn't explain the earth pre-man very well. Evolution still lacks a missing link; that elusive creature between parent and grandchild where a noted change occurs. Change of feather color, loss of digit, mutation from skin to scale, etc.
Posted by Gravitiger
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 7:07 am to
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Because you can take a loaf of bread, put it under a lavaflow and carbon dating will tell you it's millions of years old.


Link?
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
18433 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 7:08 am to
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Because you can take a loaf of bread, put it under a lavaflow and carbon dating will tell you it's millions of years old.


Not really accurate. And thankfully, due to the intelligence, knowledge, and innovation of scientists, we can use the changes in levels of carbon-14 from volcanic eruptions to date previous and forecast future ones.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 7:08 am to
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Carbon dating is not reliable. I saw they tested a recently dead coyote they found. Carbon dating said it was 10,000 years old. There are hundreds of examples of this. Carbon dating is crap.


Oh geez.
Posted by Gravitiger
Member since Jun 2011
10434 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 7:08 am to
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Evolution explains survival of the fittest amongst the creatures.
No it doesn't. Those words were never used by Darwin. They were made up by racists bastardizing Darwin for social engineering purposes.
Posted by Gravitiger
Member since Jun 2011
10434 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 7:10 am to
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That's a lot of emotion for your pre-frontal cortex. Calm down, sir! Kidding

Never underestimate who you are in how you think and interpret life's experience...is the line Skynard left out of Simple Man but wish they did not.

Be amazed at the human experience.

Just think about the occipital lobe in the brain and how photon turns into meaning in one's brain.

We evolved with purpose; that ain't by accident.

Sir Darwin missed a few bits
All a happy accident, brother. Enjoy the ride.

Good on you for waking and baking.
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4591 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 7:12 am to
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A gene mutation always causes a cancer and kills the host. No it doesn’t. Hair color is a gene mutation, and yet, people have different color hair, and I have never heard of terminal hair follicle cancer.


Genotypes and selective breeding is not a gene mutation.
A gene mutation would be having 3 arms.
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
18433 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 7:14 am to
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We evolved with purpose; that ain't by accident.


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It is an act of faith to assert that our thoughts have any relation to reality at all. If you are merely a sceptic, you must sooner or later ask yourself the question, "Why should anything go right; even observation and deduction? Why should not good logic be as misleading as bad logic? They are both movements in the brain of a bewildered ape?" The young sceptic says, "I have a right to think for myself." But the old sceptic, the complete sceptic, says, "I have no right to think for myself. I have no right to think at all."
Posted by SlimTigerSlap
Member since Apr 2022
4313 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 7:16 am to
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Carbon dating is not reliable. I saw they tested a recently dead coyote they found. Carbon dating said it was 10,000 years old. There are hundreds of examples of this. Carbon dating is crap.


What else do you know about Coyotes?
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
18433 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 7:17 am to
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What else do you know about Coyotes?


I’m 100% certain he pronounces it “kye-yotes.”
Posted by CoyoteSong
Colorado
Member since Aug 2021
2603 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 7:21 am to
They did Carbon dating on a wooly mammoth. His skin was dated 4000 years old, his tooth 2000 years old, and another piece of tissue was dated 9000 years. All samples were from the same wooly mammoth.

Carbon dating is crap.
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 7:21 am to
Anyone who takes the 7 days creation narrative as absolute truth as in 7 modern 24 hour days is a little suspect.

I do think we were created and therefore have a creator for the record. I just think the genesis narrative isn’t how it happened.

The most fascinating take I have seen on the 7 day quandary was by a PhD theoretical physicist who went through the math of time and energy and showed how with God being pure energy 7 days for him could be millions of years.

I also have seen the math of the likelihood of a single amino acid being randomly formed in nature - almost if not completely impossible. Now take that extremely low likelihood and make it a left handed, not right handed AA and the likelihood goes to as close to zero as possible. Now that’s just one AA, multiply that by 20 or 21 (the base AA in humans) and you get basically zero chance. Oh, also throw in that the entire time these random acts are happening every step goes against the second law of thermodynamics and you can see why there are a lot of religious scientists still around.

Do they have all the answers? No. Will we ever? Sure at death we will all know for absolute certainty if we have a creator or not.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
31522 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 7:21 am to
I engage in this conversation only if one can explain accurately to me Plantinga’s evolutionary argument against naturalism, like I’m a fourth grader.

A shibboleth of sorts.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90747 posts
Posted on 7/19/22 at 7:21 am to
People take the Bible too literally without understanding the men of the time had no concept of science or the modern calendar we use.

I’ve long believed that the 7 days of creation was actually millions of years. Who knows what a “day” is in Gods time. Science and evolution show that things evolved in the order the Bible says it was created. The timeframe is simply semantics and really not relevant
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